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  1. Second Fitna Possibilities

    I expect he’d want the capital restored to Medina. Not sure yet. From the sound of it, it seems Zubayarid would do the latter. In that case, it really does sound like the Caliphate could lose its momentum earlier than OTL, allowing the Byzantines to reclaim at least some lost territory. It...

  2. Second Fitna Possibilities

    Wow, I hadn’t even considered the Byzantines holding Carthage (for longer), but yeah, that could also be in the cards. Could a more successful Byzantine counteroffensive -- in the Levant, or possibly Egypt -- be possible as well?

  3. Second Fitna Possibilities

    If they’re both at least reasonably plausible, it sounds like a Zubayarid Victory would be absolutely fascinating. Given their more decentralized nature, does this mean that expansionist attempts like the Invasion of Iberia or the Siege of Constantinople don’t happen TTL?

  4. Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun

    Do the Dutch still hold Sulawesi at this point?

  5. WI Frederick Barbarossa doesn’t drown (2023 ed)

    I wouldn’t underestimate just how important the 13th century was to the process of French centralization, especially the reign of Louis IX in founding what would become the basis of French bureaucracy.

  6. WI Frederick Barbarossa doesn’t drown (2023 ed)

    @Geekhis Khan Great stuff! How would you say this “strong confederation” compares to what the Capets had managed at the time of our PoD? Because even if it’s a lot “weaker” than the level of centralization France had achieved OTL by 1300 -- which would be a hell of a feat, and seems extremely...

  7. Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun

    Can we get a map showing what Japan is looking to gain in this war?

  8. WI Frederick Barbarossa doesn’t drown (2023 ed)

    @Geekhis Khan @Nuraghe It would also probably help to start by keeping the focus on the shorter and medium term (13th and 14th Centuries) -- in this case, how centralization in the HRE fares compared to the rest of Europe -- before getting into how early modernity is affected. If we’re also...

  9. WI Frederick Barbarossa doesn’t drown (2023 ed)

    Beatrice was an Anscarid, but yeah; though she predeceased her husband, and Burgundy was given to her third oldest son at the time of her death.

  10. 744; The Alids, A Better Caliphate

    What's interesting about this is that you could make the case that it was that very power play by the Abbasids (ie Mutazilism) that actually ended up destroying the actual authority of the Caliph in the Muslim world, leading to the fracturing of authority in the realm (only further exacerbated...

  11. Second Fitna Possibilities

    Wait, are you talking about the First Fitna? I was looking for us to discuss the Second (so preferably no PoDs prior to the death of Mu’awiya in 680).

  12. Second Fitna Possibilities

    Here's another way of looking at this -- of the two more popular scenarios, the Caliphate fracturing longer term or the Zubayrids prevailing in the civil war, which one is more likely/plausible? And going with this option, what needs to happen for this to come about? And once we have that, what...

  13. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    This does make me think -- what would the Arabs do with "Roman" institutions they find in the Imperial capital? I imagine the episcopate, at the very least, are going to be left alone for the most part -- people of the book and all that --but what about, say, the Senate? I would have to think...

  14. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    How realistic do you think this much is: the Ummayads take Constantinople in the 717-18 Siege the Ummayads win the Battle of Toulouse in 721 in the following years, the Ummayads launch further campaigns in Anatolia, at minimum outright conquering the eastern themes Since (1) and (2) are...

  15. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    Even crazier, just a few years after our PoD is the Battle of Toulouse, which checked muslim expansion into Europe.

  16. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    PoD I imagine is in 717 or 718; if Constantinople falls, I would think the Umayyads would see some of their financial concerns at least temporarily ameliorated; my guess, if this means the militarists continue to get support for aggressive action on Byzantine remnants, the most likely targets...

  17. Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

  18. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    I think the fate of the Ummayad Dynasty, and the if/who of their successors, is absolutely something worth talking about here. One thing I think we’re overlooking is that the conquest of so much of the ERE is going to be adding so many more formerly-Roman Christians to the Caliphate’s population...

  19. WI Frederick Barbarossa doesn’t drown (2023 ed)

    Actually, wouldn’t Makuria be in a good position to keep this rump Muslim-Egyptian state contained?

  20. What if Adoptionism became the Main Doctrine in Christianity?

    How much would this position be tied to other (OTL heretical) positions like Gnosticism or Monarchism?
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