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  1. Second Fitna Possibilities

    Wait, are you talking about the First Fitna? I was looking for us to discuss the Second (so preferably no PoDs prior to the death of Mu’awiya in 680).

  2. Second Fitna Possibilities

    Here's another way of looking at this -- of the two more popular scenarios, the Caliphate fracturing longer term or the Zubayrids prevailing in the civil war, which one is more likely/plausible? And going with this option, what needs to happen for this to come about? And once we have that, what...

  3. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    This does make me think -- what would the Arabs do with "Roman" institutions they find in the Imperial capital? I imagine the episcopate, at the very least, are going to be left alone for the most part -- people of the book and all that --but what about, say, the Senate? I would have to think...

  4. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    How realistic do you think this much is: the Ummayads take Constantinople in the 717-18 Siege the Ummayads win the Battle of Toulouse in 721 in the following years, the Ummayads launch further campaigns in Anatolia, at minimum outright conquering the eastern themes Since (1) and (2) are...

  5. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    Even crazier, just a few years after our PoD is the Battle of Toulouse, which checked muslim expansion into Europe.

  6. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    PoD I imagine is in 717 or 718; if Constantinople falls, I would think the Umayyads would see some of their financial concerns at least temporarily ameliorated; my guess, if this means the militarists continue to get support for aggressive action on Byzantine remnants, the most likely targets...

  7. Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

  8. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    I think the fate of the Ummayad Dynasty, and the if/who of their successors, is absolutely something worth talking about here. One thing I think we’re overlooking is that the conquest of so much of the ERE is going to be adding so many more formerly-Roman Christians to the Caliphate’s population...

  9. WI Frederick Barbarossa doesn’t drown (2023 ed)

    Actually, wouldn’t Makuria be in a good position to keep this rump Muslim-Egyptian state contained?

  10. What if Adoptionism became the Main Doctrine in Christianity?

    How much would this position be tied to other (OTL heretical) positions like Gnosticism or Monarchism?

  11. Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

    So this might be a thread topic, but I wanted to check first -- so paging anyone familiar with early Islamic history (@wakobear @GoulashComrade, @John7755 يوحنا etc) -- but What if Ali had been among the casualties at the Battle of the Camel? If we assume everyone else who died in the battle OTL...

  12. 744; The Alids, A Better Caliphate

    Have to say, looking back, I'm surprised this is pretty much the only thread with any discussion of the Alids coming to power in Islam's early history. One thing I'd want to note here -- even putting the Sindh are India aside entirely, the vast majority of the Caliphate's population at this...

  13. Maid of Norway, Queen of Scotland: A Plantagenet Britain Timeline

    It’s not important that it happens, but it is important to the extent that it happens, we’re in the loop about it; that way, in anticipating what comes next, we know what’s the same about the context of future decisions, and what’s different. From the sound of it, the things that made Gascony...

  14. Maid of Norway, Queen of Scotland: A Plantagenet Britain Timeline

    Aside from coming four years earlier and the Prince of Wales not marrying a French princess, how does the peace treaty TTL differ from OTL?

  15. Ravenna, the midwife of Europe

    Speaking of religious minorities -- how are Christian-Pagan relations faring TTL? Seeing as this is after the Theodosian Reforms but still well before pushes toward religious unity in the 6th Century, what does the non-Abrahamic religious landscape look like?

  16. AHC/WI: Umayyads adopt less repressive racial policies

    It might help if we can point to a specific “turning point” -- a specific policy, ruler, or what have you, as long as there’s a specific year (or similarly narrow-ish window of time) -- that we’re looking to avoid here. Were the Ummayads already repressive/racist/badly-taxing by the time of...

  17. Ravenna, the midwife of Europe

    Since the TL itself likely won’t present the opportunity -- how does a Codex (like the one described here) differ from a Corpus Juris Civilis (like the OTL Justinian Code)?

  18. Maid of Norway, Queen of Scotland: A Plantagenet Britain Timeline

    Since we’ve done a timeskip - - it’s worth noting that OTL, fighting in the war actually wrapped up around 1295-97, while negotiations dragged on to 1303. From this update, we can infer the actual fighting has indeed ended, but I wonder if said war has gone better for the English than OTL...

  19. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    Looking at a map of the Byzantines at time of the Second Siege, a lot of what I said then seems to hold: https://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/image/709621109417508866 Outside of Anatolia, the empire is pretty stretched for territory at this time; and a lot of the remaining territory in the east...

  20. WI: Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) succeeds

    So I had thoughts when we talked about the First Siege; I wonder how much of it is still relevant here:
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