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  1. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    Not even close IMO. Would be treated as just another case of a state dealing ruthlessly with traitors. What made Nuremberg significant was, in no small part, the fact that recognised members of a nation state government were tried by the other belligerent states for crimes against all of...

  2. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    Yeah to be clear I absolutely agree with the stance of minimal butterflies, at least in the short to medium term, in terms of events. But "what do people in Europe think about the Second American Revolution" could still be an interesting piece to read, and longer term that will definitely become...

  3. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    I've said in these discussions that it'll be quite a while before there's any significant impact on the events in the Old World, as US internal affairs simply weren't considered especially important to the great European powers, but the fact of such a successful and comprehensive left-wing...

  4. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    Sorry, but has old mate here actually read the first part of the timeline? Because if he hasn't, and I also have my doubts, then this whole discussion is just a massive derail.

  5. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    I don't think you can really compare the US in this state to post-war Japan and the LDP, and the very, very, very heavy hand played in the creation of that democratic structure - and the LDP itself - by the US and by Macarthur specifically. The thumb was on the scale in a big way there. Also...

  6. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    I mean, maybe, but that won't last forever. Politics in democracies is cyclical; there are no permanent victories or permanent losses.

  7. Reconstruction: The Second American Revolution - The Sequel to Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid

    They'll pivot hard to a generalised opposition to the expanded power of the central government and a fear of devolution into despotism which, in isolation, is definitely an argument that could carry some weight amongst people who otherwise are not necessarily receptive to overt white supremacy.

  8. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    Horrible US policy towards Latin America predates Kissinger by generations. Henry Lane Wilson, anyone? The most notorious actions of the United Fruit Company may have only come to a head in the 1950s by spreading misinformation to induce the CIA into backing coups, but the seeds of those...

  9. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    I honestly don't think this would make much difference tbh because it gets the relationship between imperialism and prejudice backwards. If the US wants to pillage Latin America, the reasons will be backfilled after the fact. That's how the entire system of racism was constructed in the first place.

  10. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    Yeah to that last point, worth remembering that liberalism - unquestionably the victorious and dominant ideology in America for the forseeable future - was not just pro-imperialism but positively beside itself with imperialism.

  11. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    Oh yes good point, I got my dates mixed up.

  12. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    China in particular could be in for a rough time (well, it will be anyway, this might just make it worse). For example, you could see a much stronger foreign presence during the Taiping Rebellions (assuming they break out roughly as per OTL) with a lot more armed force in the form of...

  13. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    Thinking on the question of what happens to the former Confederate soldiers, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of them in exile slowly but inexorably grows over the years. While there is an entire generation of Southern white men that has been utterly eviscerated by the war, there are still...

  14. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    I'm still not really convinced this is especially likely; especially because the smallholding landowner class has been both massively enlarged and empowered by the addition of the vast majority of the formerly enslaved, and they have been yet again enshrined in national ideology - of which there...

  15. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    This alone virtually guarantees a vastly more powerful and developed central state compared to OTL late 19th century equivalents even before the full consequences of Reconstruction have played out. The amount of bureaucratic and institutional capacity that has to be developed for this alone is...

  16. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    The British were hosting people who were actively formenting revolution in their own wartime allies during the Napoleonic Wars. States just didn't track things like this that closely, particularly Britain and France, so long as it wasn't domestic insurrection they were planning. If the Americans...

  17. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    If FPTP does give way to, say, instant runoff (preferential) voting it will probably be for the same reason it was abolished in Australia: smaller regional and more conservative parties wanting to maintain their independence as parties but nonetheless willing to make allies of convenience...

  18. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    Abolishing FPTP is at or near the very top of my wish list for electoral reform, yes, though the method of abolishing it ought to vary from situation to situation.

  19. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    It's certainly better for the country that the Republicans are universally dominant over their opponents of the day here in 1864, but if long-term democratic governance is improved by fundamentally uncompetitive elections then that will be a world historic first. Unfortunately de facto single...

  20. Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War

    Debates over bimetallism/gold/silver standards is basically the equivalent of modern monetary policy debates, which although very technical, ultimately still comes down to the same straightforward debate: should money (and credit) be freely available to all, so even the common person can borrow...
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