superlative chapter, very interesting the part about Leopold II taking the reins and for the first time in his life he makes a speech in public, good debut as monarch
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, the whole part in Venice, however it literally makes you die laughing, especially Frankie who looks with a mixture of amusement, curiosity, disgust and memories of a distant past, at the paternal objects that Marmont has brought together in the palace (the key moments were him dressing in his coat and hat, I felt like humming the Marseillaise and Fratelli d'Italia at that moment,
I was going to go with Marseillaise, particularly since Napoléon himself despised the tune and how it's been repurposed by Henri:


But Richard, O Mon Roi, l'universe t'abandonné (O Richard, O my king, the universe has abandoned you) is both suitably reverent and Frankie's tongue-in-cheek reminder of "better than you".

As to Marmont collecting the "ephemera", its not that different to how Frankie's dealt with his Bonaparte family. He hasn't built some grand cathedral/basilica/necropolis for them, or insisted on any sort of state funeral (except for his grandmother- and that was theatre). Rather, he's buried them quietly at Santa Maria della Salute in Venice, out of the way*. He hasn't had his grandfather exhumed from Corsica or his grandmother from Rome, and he remarks that he has no reason to see his father's remains repatriated from Saint Helena. But he's sort of "put them all in one place" and "forgotten" about them.

What he's done to them in death is what everyone tried to do to him: forget that there ever was a name such as Buonaparte**. Venice and the Venetians were a city that suffered the most under Napoléon, so there's no fears that they will build a shrine to them. And it's one the opposite side of Italy from France, so it's not like it will attract streams of ardent Bonapartist tourists. And I don't think Frankie chose a church that was erected to celebrate relief from the Plague with any small irony.

Same for the ephemera that Marmont collects. Out in the world, those items- like the sword of Austerlitz- would be "holy relics" to some credulous fool. This isn't a 1984-type "disappearing" of them. Frankie doesn't order them destroyed or anything, but in a private collection, these "holy relics" don't garner the attention of the public. People aren't queuing down six blocks to get in to see a Napoléon-exhibit at the museum***.

*given Frankie's spiteful nature, I could definitely see him insisting that his mother be buried there as well (OTL, she was buried with him in the Kaisersgruft in Vienna) as a sort of final "screw you" to both the family and his mom
**again, I could see Frankie going with the Italian spelling to add insult to injury
***see how Hitler collected "relics" for an extreme example

then the part about her reproductive organ was surreal, even more so when in the notes it said that it really happened)
I'll admit, after hearing about that, how it ended up in Corsica until 1915 OTL- when it was sold to a London bookseller, then to a Philadelphia-based firm, passed through a few other hands (pardon the pun) before it wound up with the Latimers- I was like "the hilarity of someone presenting Frankie with his dead father's penis" is too good to not include
Francisca who has a craving for parrot soup, is truly beastly ( 1 )
it was the first thing Francisca* asked for when arriving in France after a storm-tossed voyage OTL (she wasn't a very good sailor apparently- which is ironic when one considers her OTL husband was Grand Admiral of France)

*I recently found out that there's a strong chance she was named for her mother's favourite nephew/surrogate son (Frankie) as much as for her maternal grandfather. I'm not sure if Frankie was her godfather or anything, but I could genuinely see Pedro I having creamed his shorts at the idea of having Napoléon's son as his daughter's godfather.
it seems that the 10th Congress could be very lively in Rome 😇,
I figure it puts the bookends of "science" and "religion" immediately after one another: Scientific Congress in September-November 1849, followed by the Advent-Christmas-Epiphany season (30 November 1849-6 January 1850), and the Holy Year of 1850, Rome will be stuffed to the gills with visitors of religious, political and scientific creeds.
to conclude the part where a letter arrives from distant Egypt asking for permission for Ali's children to attend Frankie's school, it takes on interesting implications ( knowing that Austria was historically the only firm ally of Constantinople, this fact can lead to unpleasant and delicate discussions with the Ottoman Empire, now I'm imagining Sultan Abdülmecid I pushing to obtain a similar permit for his possible children or at least his grandson ( Otl Abdul Hamid II )
Frankie hasn't given an answer yet, but I imagine that this is why forwarded the letter to him rather than simply deciding the matter herself. However, it would certainly be interesting to see what effects this would have on the Ottomans.
1 ) doesn't she know Darwin in person ?, given that in his trip around the world before cataloging the species, he killed them to... taste them... he loved nature so much 😜😉😅, imagine him with a whip and a rifle in shoulder around the jungle to injure every existing animal species...., well, his story is so absurd that it deserves a separate thing
Imagine Darwin attending the 10th Congress and winding up in conversation with Louise d'Artois, Queen of Sicily* or even Pio Nono :p Or Ada Lovelace (she spoke fluent Italian and was responsible for translating a lot of work to or from Italian for Babbage IIRC) being allowed to give a lecture.

*because do we really think Louise or her husband will not take advantage of this if Henri were to go to Rome with his wife?
 
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I was going to go with Marseillaise, particularly since Napoléon himself despised the tune and how it's been repurposed by Henri:


But Richard, O Mon Roi, l'universe t'abandonné (O Richard, O my king, the universe has abandoned you) is both suitably reverent and Frankie's tongue-in-cheek reminder of "better than you".

As to Marmont collecting the "ephemera", its not that different to how Frankie's dealt with his Bonaparte family. He hasn't built some grand cathedral/basilica/necropolis for them, or insisted on any sort of state funeral (except for his grandmother- and that was theatre). Rather, he's buried them quietly at Santa Maria della Salute in Venice, out of the way*. He hasn't had his grandfather exhumed from Corsica or his grandmother from Rome, and he remarks that he has no reason to see his father's remains repatriated from Saint Helena. But he's sort of "put them all in one place" and "forgotten" about them.

What he's done to them in death is what everyone tried to do to him: forget that there ever was a name such as Buonaparte**. Venice and the Venetians were a city that suffered the most under Napoléon, so there's no fears that they will build a shrine to them. And it's one the opposite side of Italy from France, so it's not like it will attract streams of ardent Bonapartist tourists. And I don't think Frankie chose a church that was erected to celebrate relief from the Plague with any small irony.

Same for the ephemera that Marmont collects. Out in the world, those items- like the sword of Austerlitz- would be "holy relics" to some credulous fool. This isn't a 1984-type "disappearing" of them. Frankie doesn't order them destroyed or anything, but in a private collection, these "holy relics" don't garner the attention of the public. People aren't queuing down six blocks to get in to see a Napoléon-exhibit at the museum***.

*given Frankie's spiteful nature, I could definitely see him insisting that his mother be buried there as well (OTL, she was buried with him in the Kaisersgruft in Vienna) as a sort of final "screw you" to both the family and his mom
**again, I could see Frankie going with the Italian spelling to add insult to injury
***see how Hitler collected "relics" for an extreme example


I'll admit, after hearing about that, how it ended up in Corsica until 1915 OTL- when it was sold to a London bookseller, then to a Philadelphia-based firm, passed through a few other hands (pardon the pun) before it wound up with the Latimers- I was like "the hilarity of someone presenting Frankie with his dead father's penis" is too good to not include

it was the first thing Francisca* asked for when arriving in France after a storm-tossed voyage OTL (she wasn't a very good sailor apparently- which is ironic when one considers her OTL husband was Grand Admiral of France)

*I recently found out that there's a strong chance she was named for her mother's favourite nephew/surrogate son (Frankie) as much as for her maternal grandfather. I'm not sure if Frankie was her godfather or anything, but I could genuinely see Pedro I having creamed his shorts at the idea of having Napoléon's son as his daughter's godfather.

I figure it puts the bookends of "science" and "religion" immediately after one another: Scientific Congress in September-November 1849, followed by the Advent-Christmas-Epiphany season (30 November 1849-6 January 1850), and the Holy Year of 1850, Rome will be stuffed to the gills with visitors of religious, political and scientific creeds.

Frankie hasn't given an answer yet, but I imagine that this is why forwarded the letter to him rather than simply deciding the matter herself. However, it would certainly be interesting to see what effects this would have on the Ottomans.

Imagine Darwin attending the 10th Congress and winding up in conversation with Louise d'Artois, Queen of Sicily* or even Pio Nono :p Or Ada Lovelace (she spoke fluent Italian and was responsible for translating a lot of work to or from Italian for Babbage IIRC) being allowed to give a lecture.

*because do we really think Louise or her husband will not take advantage of this if Henri were to go to Rome with his wife?

god save us from Charles' stories then ( like the time I stole the Beagle crew's Christmas lunch just because they realized while eating it that it wasn't a simple Rhea but a new species ) , hmm now that I think about it maybe with someone who actually has the same interests as him for fossils and nature, our Darwin could summon the courage to make his work public instead of waiting 20 years like Otl ( he was forced to publish his studies, only because Wallace privately sent him a couple of his theories, which if published would have anticipated his work and therefore he was afraid of losing everything he had worked on, in fact he decided to publish everything ( and two works at the same time, but with a huge emphasis on "I got there before Wallace !" ) furthermore he shouldn't have too many problems with the Catholic church, given that in OTL he was heavily attacked by the more orthodox Anglican clergy, because he went on to state that the Bible was perhaps not "to be taken literally" but simply interpreted ( same idea at the basis of Catholicism )
 
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oh the hilarity of that idea. With the Catholics saying "see, this proves we were right all along" :winkytongue:

I certainly agree that the idea that man has a kinship with primates will still cause quite a stir, but the rest of his evolutionary theories could be quite well received ( in particular I find it funny if he uses any ATL fossils discovered in the paleontological sites present in Italy, there are so many possibilities, I'm looking at you, dear Cirò ( and fellow fossils from Campania ) or the Neandthertals of Lazio, or the marine reptiles of the Novafeltria quarry in Emilia or the Saltriovenator zanellai, a Lombard carnivore, found Otl in the 20th century, but in a fossiliferous deposit, widely known since the 17th century )
 
I certainly agree that the idea that man has a kinship with primates will still cause quite a stir, but the rest of his evolutionary theories could be quite well received ( in particular I find it funny if he uses any ATL fossils discovered in the paleontological sites present in Italy, there are so many possibilities, I'm looking at you, dear Cirò ( and fellow fossils from Campania ) or the Neandthertals of Lazio, or the marine reptiles of the Novafeltria quarry in Emilia or the Saltriovenator zanellai, a Lombard carnivore, found Otl in the 20th century, but in a fossiliferous deposit, widely known since the 17th century )
I wonder if Louise d'Artois won't "accidentally" send some of those fossils to the "Neapolitan" exhibit at the congress?
 
I certainly agree that the idea that man has a kinship with primates will still cause quite a stir, but the rest of his evolutionary theories could be quite well received ( in particular I find it funny if he uses any ATL fossils discovered in the paleontological sites present in Italy, there are so many possibilities, I'm looking at you, dear Cirò ( and fellow fossils from Campania ) or the Neandthertals of Lazio, or the marine reptiles of the Novafeltria quarry in Emilia or the Saltriovenator zanellai, a Lombard carnivore, found Otl in the 20th century, but in a fossiliferous deposit, widely known since the 17th century )

without forgetting the Italian megafauna which has undergone the phenomenon of shrinkage in the islands, such as the
Mammuthus lamarmorai ( found in Sardinia ) is as big as a pony or Oreopithecus bambolii ( anthropomorphic monkey found in significant quantities in Tuscany and Sardinia )
 
Also, does anyone know why none of the former nine congresses were never held in Neapolitan territory? It can't have been about it being a "foreign" state, since the main contender with Genoa in 1846 was Bastia, Corsica, which was part of France (Genoa only won out because of Carlo Alberto's interference).
 
I wonder if Louise d'Artois won't "accidentally" send some of those fossils to the "Neapolitan" exhibit at the congress?


Cirò must be there by right, his discovery is far comparable to that of " Mimmie " in Australia ( of the ankylosaurid family ), they are the only two fossils ( that I know of) where the internal organs have been preserved in superlative conditions, and even the skin
 
an idea for future Congresses:

1839 (Pisa)
1840 (Turin)
1841 (Florence)
1842, 1843, 1845 I can't find where they were
1844 (Milan)
1846 (Genoa)
1847 (Venice)
1848 (Bologna*)
1849 (Rome)
1850 (Naples/Palermo)
1851 (Cagliari**?)
1852 (Siena)
1853 (Padua)
1854 (Urbino)

and that's all I got, maybe the cycle resets or something and in 1855 it goes back to Pisa

*in honour of the university with alumni such as Dante, Copernicus and the first salaried female university professor, Laura Bassi
**figure if they were willing to do it on an island for Bastia in 1846, why not Cagliari or Palermo?
 


technically yes, but from recent discoveries it has been preferred to divide the species into its subgenera, the one I am referring to is currently called Kunbarrasaurus ( and it is she, the one with the most surprising fossil ), of course in Australia they have a bestial imagination, they almost always give their fossils the names of the regions where they found them ( see Muttaburrasaurus langdoni ) 😅🤣
 
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Frankie: *snorts* his belief that he could still win an election to be France's président at his age- mon Dieu, the only thing he would be eligible for is pope!
Marmont: he's a mason-
Frankie: Talleyrand was a bishop. And I honestly think Soult is trying to outdo the prince with how many governments he could serve.
lol
 
He's the star of the show for sure.
Something I'm sure his dad would also be jealous of. Since I don't recall he was a wit. Sarcastic- sometimes brutally so- yes. Witty, I doubt it.

When I think of Napoléon, I always think of Tolstoy's description of Pierre: he didn't know how to enter a drawing room, nor did he have the slightest clue when to leave one.

Nor is this solely his enemies saying this, ISTR that even those loyalists on Elba/Saint Helena with him dreaded his small talk (or lack thereof). And under the empire, most of the social responsibilities (like drawing rooms) were the province of Josephine/Joseph Bonaparte. Marie Luise was described as "gauche as a schoolgirl ", "wooden" and even Josephine's enemies admitted that by comparison, Marie Luise was like a pillar of salt in a drawing room. That she lacked her predecessor's talent for conversation or setting people at ease, even having to be instructed when to smile.

This is Frankie Bonaparte, master snarker. One of the reasons why I’m subscribed to this timeline.
Thank you for your kind words
 
@galileo-034 if I were to let Plon-Plon put in an appearance here, where would be most likely? In Paris, with his siblings? In Trieste with his dad (or wherever Jérôme was living in 1848), in Stuttgart with his uncle (he was still receiving a pension from the king of Württemberg at the time of the start of 1849). Or perhaps Berlin with his cousin, Murat? Although, IIRC, he and the Murats despised one another OTL.
 
@galileo-034 if I were to let Plon-Plon put in an appearance here, where would be most likely? In Paris, with his siblings? In Trieste with his dad (or wherever Jérôme was living in 1848), in Stuttgart with his uncle (he was still receiving a pension from the king of Württemberg at the time of the start of 1849). Or perhaps Berlin with his cousin, Murat? Although, IIRC, he and the Murats despised one another OTL.
Paris if he thinks he can play a role, or globe trotting if he can't but has a good purse.
 
why can I just see him dropping in on Frankie before Max de Beauharnais is off on his next journey abroad, begging to go with?
Could be.
He was very much a radical, ie very much into 1789 values, and though not quite a Socialist got along them well, more reformist and quasi republican. That's for politics.
Then, family wise... Plon-Plon was very much Corsican in character, grew up in Italy if I remember right, unlike more his German raised cousins. That means he was very much traditionalist on family values. Hence his respect of Napoléon III as the Bonaparte's clan paterfamilias, perhaps why did not overtly oppose his cousin, or his feud with his son Victor and the Bonapartist schism of the 1880s when he was passed over in Napoléon IV's will as chief of the Bonaparte family.
Hope that helps.
 
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