Vienna could work because of the Habsburgs' desire to claw back whatever shreds of prestige they can after the Hungarians broke away, but come to think of it, they're probably pretty hacked off at Russia right now after they started taxing Galicia-Lodomeria. If the Austrians did it, they'd be grinding their teeth the whole time, especially if Russia ends up on top.
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Duh I forgot about that fuster cluck. Hell Im really not sure then.
Agreed about Galicia-Lodomeria, in fact I’d say it takes Vienna fully out of the question. Even if they may not have fought in the war, relations with Russia are still so strained that Russia thought it acceptable to effectively annex one of their de jure territories, an act of war even if it was never acted upon. To me Vienna goes in the same pile as Athens, St.Petersburg or London as absolutely impossible.
Why not Switzerland? They're neutral in all things, it's like half the reason they exist.
Berlin? I think it's been a decade since Prussia has ticked off anyone. But Rome really is seeming like a solid choice. I love how much time has been devoted to speculating on the treaty location vs. the details.
Perhaps it could work, but the Ottomans may still see it as to Christian. Rome may represent a different types of Christianity from Russia’s, but Rome is still the seat of the papacy. The same institution that called the crusades, including against the Ottomans themselves, in part as a defence of Eastern Orthodoxy. Of course, that’s all ancient history by this point, but ... this is the age of Romantic nationalism, and the city does still have enough symbolic value for a victorious “Third Rome” to ‘rub the “Caesar of the Romans” face in’ both the Roman and religious significance of the city.
I doubt Budapest would be an option after the stunt the Hungarians pulled with stationing troops in the Carpathians to draw off Russian forces from the Balkan theater, but the first three are good options.
Side note: all of these nitpicks about international politics in such a narrow situation really illustrate how difficult it must be to be an actual diplomat. It's not a job I'd envy, to be honest.
Seriously. It’s surprisingly difficult to come up with a truly neutral location.
Austria is ticked at Russia who was their nominal ally if I remember correctly. Russia is probably unhappy that French arms have kept the conflict alive this long. The Hungarians played chicken with Russia at the border. The Ottomans despise the Greeks presently which is sad given they seemed to have a brief period of rapprochement. Nobody would likely trust the Pope in retrospect. The other Italian states are possible but likely to insignificant. Spain is an option I suppose but I feel like Amsterdam provides everything they do but better. Unfortunately the Dutch are kinda pro Anglo so that’s unlikely. Germany is inoffensive to all parties and prestigious enough.
So Berlin or Barcelona? Or if the Russians don’t mind the French selling arms, Paris.
Side note: I just wanna say I love the regulars in this thread. You guys are always great to talk to about whatever subject gets brought up. Wether it be Minutiae like a peace conference location, obvious things like borders, or interesting facts I never would have considered like agricultural outputs. You folk always have an interesting opinions and enlightening facts to share.
Too far away and not prestigious enough. the States are still very young to have that honor.
Berlin is a very nice choice really as many have said as is Milan the capital of the true Italian power. The wild Amsterdam card is interesting though. I also don't think Madrid is really up to task due to Spain being relegated this last century. Of course all of them are in place only if Paris is out of question which is not truly yet . Selling weapons is a nice business practice it could be argued by the French which they stayed neutral of the man fighting.
Ι was mainly thinking of Prussia and not the "German Empire" as a whole which has Frankfurt as capital indeed.
You know I just re read the last few updates and I can’t help but notice that there are going to be a lot, and I really mean a lot, or well armed and battle hardened Poles with nothing to do at the end of the war. I mean, depending on what Earl Marshall is considering a brigade (I know 5,000 seems to be the standard but that number can fluctuate wildly depending on circumstances) and casualties we could be looking at anything between 15-30 thousand Polish veterans between the British Foreign Legion and the Sultans Cossack Brigade. Probably armed with Minnie Rifles and Enfields. Maybe some artillery too.
Will anything come of this? Probably not immediately. But those Foreign legion ties might really come in handy next time an uprising occurs, as will any and all of the weapons the can smuggle in through Hungry.
That said I’m very interested to see what happens with the British foreign legion going forward. It was set up as a temporary measure but there’s no reason they can’t make it permanent. It would provide plenty of extra man power in the future. Other countries could even try to emulate them
Will anything come of this? Probably not immediately. But those Foreign legion ties might really come in handy next time an uprising occurs, as will any and all of the weapons the can smuggle in through Hungry.
That said I’m very interested to see what happens with the British foreign legion going forward. It was set up as a temporary measure but there’s no reason they can’t make it permanent. It would provide plenty of extra man power in the future. Other countries could even try to emulate them
@Duke of Orlando this is a very good idea! But I wonder if we could see a Philhellenes League formed by Greece, sometime in the future. I know that there have been military forces of Philhellenes (and also the Redshirt Garibaldines in OTL Greco-Turkish War 1897 and in the Balkan Wars 1912-13), but these were volunteer forces.
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The American civil war will start up soon after this war. If the Polish veterans want to stay as a unified fighting force after the alt crimean war, they can volunteer to fight over there, similar to the OTL Irish brigade, except much larger. They can pick up American poles, new ones leaving europe, and expand their arsenal. A few divisions of extremely skilled and well armed polish vets will make a big difference in the next polish revolt.
I actually think the Americans are gonna fight the Mexican American war first as they haven’t yet but it’s been hinted at. Because it’s likely that or an immediate civil war as the south Is probably feeling boxed in right now
This is my third attempt trying to make this post, hopefully it works now.
First and foremost, I won't have the next update out today. I apologize, but I've been busy with work these past few weeks and I just haven't had the time or energy to do much writing. That said, I will try to have it ready before next Sunday.
Second, I made some changes to the last update, increasing the number of Polish volunteers for the British Foreign Legion up to 12,000 men, and I increased the number of new recruits for the Sultans Cossack Division to 7,400 men (up from 6,000). I also had the Ottomans make a deal with Serbia, allowing them to recall their troops in return for increased autonomy and the Ottomans have begun pulling their troops from Thessaly and Epirus. The Ottomans also received around 11,000 additional volunteers from North Africa and the Levant over the Winter and Spring of 1856. Finally, I made some slight tweaks to a couple other sections, including the Egypt section to help clarify the Ottoman position on that matter.
Thank you very much! To say that the Ottomans are not happy with Britain right now would be an understatement. They essentially got pressured into this war on misleading promises of a Pan-European coalition against Russia, only to be tricked into fighting this boondoggle by themselves essentially. Sure Britain is providing around 80k soldiers, sailors and marines, but most of these are in the Balkans, whilst the Russians are running wild in Eastern Anatolia. They're also falling into debt at a terrible rate, most of which is controlled by Britain giving them an increased say in Ottoman affairs after the war. Finally, there is the deal Britain forced them to make with Greece which is incredibly unpopular with the Ottoman people right now, even if it was necessary from a strategic standpoint. This doesn't include the revolts across the Balkans or the extensive pillaging in Eastern Anatolia. At the very least, Russia will have exhausted themselves after this war so the Ottomans should receive a reprieve on that front for a few years.
Technically, the war won't end in 1856, but it will be the end of all major fighting in Europe.
Indeed, when Austria learns of this they will be quite angry with Russia, to the point they might get involved this war. However, the Russians aren't stupid, well at least their diplomats usually aren't, so they won't be blatantly advertising this change in administration far and wide. As far as most of Europe is concerned, Russia is occupying Galicia-Lodomeria on behalf of Vienna, as the Austrians lack the ability to properly police the province after their recent string of conflicts. Still, they are the legal owners of Galicia-Lodomeria and are entitled to its tax revenue and resources, both of which Russia is now taking for themselves. That said, it is only a matter of time before Vienna finds out about this, so except the proverbial shit to hit the fan soon.
You are certainly correct, Constantin Caratheodory is the grandson of Dr. Konstantinos Karatheodori.
Unlike Napoleon III, the Eaglet has the advantage of a more stable regime at home, owing to his more liberal politics and his increased legitimacy. First and foremost, he is the son of Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, not one of his nephews, a fact which strengthens his support among the Bonapartists. Second, he is the son of Marie Louise, giving him a strong connection to one of the most prestigious and respected royal houses in all of Europe in the von Hapsburgs, which should alleviate some of the concerns of the Conversatives. His choice of wife will also help here too. His successful acquistion of Wallonia in the Second Belgian War of Independence also helps his standing within France, although not to the extent conquering all of Belgium would have. Nevertheless, he ended a rather unpopular and expensive war with a victory, albeit a relatively minor victory.
That being said, I do agree that some adventurism is likely at this time, in fact, France is already actively expanding its overseas holdings in the Pacific and West Africa. In the Mediterranean they are consolidating their grip on Algiers, supporting Isma'il Pasha in Egypt, and if opportunity presents itself, they might go after Tunis and Lebanon as well.
In all honesty, I haven't decided on the exact details for Poland's future just yet. I'm pretty confident that they will get their independence eventually, their strong culture and history almost make that an inevitability in my opinion, but how and when they get their independence is still up for debate right now. Organic Works is definitely a possibility though.
Overall, the Ottomans will be in a bad spot once this war ends. First and foremost, the majority of the fighting has taken place on their territory ITTL, compared to OTL which was mainly fought in the Crimean Peninsula and Russian Caucasia. This has resulted in untold pillaging and looting of the Eastern Anatolian and Northern Rumelian countryside by the invading Russian Armies. Together with the mobilization of all the Ottoman Empire's 200,000 reservists and the need to support the war effort, not to mention the disruption of trade across the Black Sea has tanked its economy and forced it to take on numerous loans from the British. Finally, it has already lost territory to Greece, a non-belligerent, and it will likely lose territory to the Russians and its proxies in the ensuing peace treaty. Needless to say, they are not going to be very happy with Britain for leading them into this disastrous war, nor are they going to be very happy with the Greeks and the other Balkan Christians for taking advantage of their moment of weakness.
Britain in contrast will be quite fine after the war with Russia. Obviously, it would have liked to reduce Russia as a rival, destroying its Black Seas Fleet and liberate some occupied peoples like the Polish and the Baltic peoples, but losing doesn't really hurt them. No matter how much of the Ottoman Empire Russia occupies, it does very little to directly impact the British, whereas a British Naval blockade wrecks the Russian economy. Moreover, Russia can't reach Britain directly and has little ability to go after Britain's overseas holdings. It could theoretically go after British India via the Qajari Empire or Central Asia, but that's hundreds of miles away across largely inhospitable terrain filled with hostile steppe peoples, so its probably not very likely. The loss of soldiers and coin certainly hurts, but it isn't a huge loss for Britain in the grand scheme of things, although it may decrease the appeal of British adventurism in the future.
Russia on the other hand is the clear winner of this war, not counting Greece or any other non-belligerent. They managed to stand firm against the leading power of their era and the state that has long been the archenemy of the Russian Empire. This will do wonders for their prestige and internal stability, but it will also remove the necessity to make reforms like in the aftermath of the OTL Crimean War. This may be a good thing actually as many of Alexander II's reforms were rushed and poorly implemented, whereas ITTL they may happen more naturally. That said, without these reforms, Russia will be in a rough spot several years down the line as everything around them continues to advance. Without going too deep into spoilers, Russia will be gaining some territory and it will be gaining sole suzerainty over the Danubian Principalities. It also avoids scuttling its entire Black Seas Fleet and it will keep its retain its status as Defender of the Ottoman Christains.
Now, obviously this war will sour relations between the two countries, but the Ottomans have more of a bone to pick with the British, than the British do with the Ottomans. So if anyone is breaking this arrangement it will be the Turks. That said, you are definitely right in that the British have other options for friends outside of the Ottomans; Greece for instance is a good option as is Prussia, Hungary, or Sweden-Norway.
Regarding late participants in the War:
More than likely, no one will join the war at this point as the outcome is all but decided. However, that won't stop some states from sabre rattling to force a more favorable outcome.
Regarding the location of the Peace Conference:
I was originally considering Athens as the location of the Peace Conference, owing to their strong ties to both Britain and Russ. That was before I decided to give them all of Thessaly and Epirus in their deal with the Ottomans. Now my choice is a different capital city located in Western Europe, a country that has stayed neutral in the war, but it does have ties to the conflict. It also has a long history of hosting peace conferences dating back hundreds of years.
A lot will probably go to Britain after the war and continue their military service (a man has to make a living you know), many will go back to Hungary where a lot of their families are, some will stay in the Ottoman Empire as per OTL, some will go back to Russia to prepare for the next revolution, and some will go elsewhere. The idea of a Polish Legion in Greek service is certainly possible given the fact that a few Poles are already in Greece after the failure of their recent revolution. So it could happen, but I wouldn't expect a lot.
First and foremost, I won't have the next update out today. I apologize, but I've been busy with work these past few weeks and I just haven't had the time or energy to do much writing. That said, I will try to have it ready before next Sunday.
Second, I made some changes to the last update, increasing the number of Polish volunteers for the British Foreign Legion up to 12,000 men, and I increased the number of new recruits for the Sultans Cossack Division to 7,400 men (up from 6,000). I also had the Ottomans make a deal with Serbia, allowing them to recall their troops in return for increased autonomy and the Ottomans have begun pulling their troops from Thessaly and Epirus. The Ottomans also received around 11,000 additional volunteers from North Africa and the Levant over the Winter and Spring of 1856. Finally, I made some slight tweaks to a couple other sections, including the Egypt section to help clarify the Ottoman position on that matter.
There are definitely positives and negatives to this decision for Britain. In the short term it pacifies the Irish nationalists and gives them some desperately needed manpower, but it does provide some incentive for other groups within the Empire to demand autonomy of their own. Over time this may result in an earlier breakup of the Empire or it could save the British Empire if they can adapt accordingly.
The Irish Parliament will probably be located in Dublin, although I can definitely see a case being made for Belfast as well. Overall, this devolution of Irish politics from Westminster to Ireland will provide the average Irishman with more say in their governance, but it is not a perfect solution. The Protestant Irishmen and English land holders are still the most politically powerful members of Irish society and will have a disproportionate influence on how this new Parliament operates.
Thank you very much! To say that the Ottomans are not happy with Britain right now would be an understatement. They essentially got pressured into this war on misleading promises of a Pan-European coalition against Russia, only to be tricked into fighting this boondoggle by themselves essentially. Sure Britain is providing around 80k soldiers, sailors and marines, but most of these are in the Balkans, whilst the Russians are running wild in Eastern Anatolia. They're also falling into debt at a terrible rate, most of which is controlled by Britain giving them an increased say in Ottoman affairs after the war. Finally, there is the deal Britain forced them to make with Greece which is incredibly unpopular with the Ottoman people right now, even if it was necessary from a strategic standpoint. This doesn't include the revolts across the Balkans or the extensive pillaging in Eastern Anatolia. At the very least, Russia will have exhausted themselves after this war so the Ottomans should receive a reprieve on that front for a few years.
Honestly, this is the best Britain can do right now as they don't have the manpower to compete with Russia on their own. What they do have a lot of is money and guns, so they're making best of what they have.Excellent update! We see the English at their "best", sending other people to fight their wars.
I guess the war will end in1856. Both parties are exhausted . However, the taxation in Galicia-Lodomeria might force the Austrian Empire to declare war to the Russians (or at least stop any trade relations and send some "volunteers" to fight against Russia).
So, if I am not mistaken, Dr. Konstantinos Karatheodori is the OTL grandfather of this prominent mathematician? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Carathéodory
Technically, the war won't end in 1856, but it will be the end of all major fighting in Europe.
Indeed, when Austria learns of this they will be quite angry with Russia, to the point they might get involved this war. However, the Russians aren't stupid, well at least their diplomats usually aren't, so they won't be blatantly advertising this change in administration far and wide. As far as most of Europe is concerned, Russia is occupying Galicia-Lodomeria on behalf of Vienna, as the Austrians lack the ability to properly police the province after their recent string of conflicts. Still, they are the legal owners of Galicia-Lodomeria and are entitled to its tax revenue and resources, both of which Russia is now taking for themselves. That said, it is only a matter of time before Vienna finds out about this, so except the proverbial shit to hit the fan soon.
You are certainly correct, Constantin Caratheodory is the grandson of Dr. Konstantinos Karatheodori.
France and Napoleon II are definitely in a good spot right now with Britain fighting two major conflicts right now. That said, outside of this "difference of opinions" in Egypt and the expansion of the French navy to support their growing colonial empire, France and Britain don't have many issues with one another. Obviously there is the old animosity between them, Napoleon II's ascension as Emperor of France doesn't help here, but he did spend several years in Britain ITTL and he is a rather charming man so it balances out.
Unlike Napoleon III, the Eaglet has the advantage of a more stable regime at home, owing to his more liberal politics and his increased legitimacy. First and foremost, he is the son of Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, not one of his nephews, a fact which strengthens his support among the Bonapartists. Second, he is the son of Marie Louise, giving him a strong connection to one of the most prestigious and respected royal houses in all of Europe in the von Hapsburgs, which should alleviate some of the concerns of the Conversatives. His choice of wife will also help here too. His successful acquistion of Wallonia in the Second Belgian War of Independence also helps his standing within France, although not to the extent conquering all of Belgium would have. Nevertheless, he ended a rather unpopular and expensive war with a victory, albeit a relatively minor victory.
That being said, I do agree that some adventurism is likely at this time, in fact, France is already actively expanding its overseas holdings in the Pacific and West Africa. In the Mediterranean they are consolidating their grip on Algiers, supporting Isma'il Pasha in Egypt, and if opportunity presents itself, they might go after Tunis and Lebanon as well.
You are certainly right, I will definitely increase the number of Polish volunteers as soon as I get the chance.
In all honesty, I haven't decided on the exact details for Poland's future just yet. I'm pretty confident that they will get their independence eventually, their strong culture and history almost make that an inevitability in my opinion, but how and when they get their independence is still up for debate right now. Organic Works is definitely a possibility though.
The Ottomans are definitely the loser here and by a large margin, which wasn't my intention originally. It just sort of happened once I dug a little deeper on the OTL Crimean War. Britain had a lot of issues from a military standpoint, their leaders were old and out of their depth for this war, their logistics network was terrible and their medical system was atrocious. The Ottomans also had a lot of problems too, ranging from a lot of disgruntled Christians to a weak economy and small professional army. the Russians certainly had their faults too, their poor logistics and outdated weaponry didn't help, but their soldiers were incredibly brave and many of their leaders were actually quite talented - unfortunately a lot more of them were not as talented. Without France ITTL, along with a weakened Austria, the deck was stacked against the Ottomans and the British from the beginning.
Overall, the Ottomans will be in a bad spot once this war ends. First and foremost, the majority of the fighting has taken place on their territory ITTL, compared to OTL which was mainly fought in the Crimean Peninsula and Russian Caucasia. This has resulted in untold pillaging and looting of the Eastern Anatolian and Northern Rumelian countryside by the invading Russian Armies. Together with the mobilization of all the Ottoman Empire's 200,000 reservists and the need to support the war effort, not to mention the disruption of trade across the Black Sea has tanked its economy and forced it to take on numerous loans from the British. Finally, it has already lost territory to Greece, a non-belligerent, and it will likely lose territory to the Russians and its proxies in the ensuing peace treaty. Needless to say, they are not going to be very happy with Britain for leading them into this disastrous war, nor are they going to be very happy with the Greeks and the other Balkan Christians for taking advantage of their moment of weakness.
Britain in contrast will be quite fine after the war with Russia. Obviously, it would have liked to reduce Russia as a rival, destroying its Black Seas Fleet and liberate some occupied peoples like the Polish and the Baltic peoples, but losing doesn't really hurt them. No matter how much of the Ottoman Empire Russia occupies, it does very little to directly impact the British, whereas a British Naval blockade wrecks the Russian economy. Moreover, Russia can't reach Britain directly and has little ability to go after Britain's overseas holdings. It could theoretically go after British India via the Qajari Empire or Central Asia, but that's hundreds of miles away across largely inhospitable terrain filled with hostile steppe peoples, so its probably not very likely. The loss of soldiers and coin certainly hurts, but it isn't a huge loss for Britain in the grand scheme of things, although it may decrease the appeal of British adventurism in the future.
Russia on the other hand is the clear winner of this war, not counting Greece or any other non-belligerent. They managed to stand firm against the leading power of their era and the state that has long been the archenemy of the Russian Empire. This will do wonders for their prestige and internal stability, but it will also remove the necessity to make reforms like in the aftermath of the OTL Crimean War. This may be a good thing actually as many of Alexander II's reforms were rushed and poorly implemented, whereas ITTL they may happen more naturally. That said, without these reforms, Russia will be in a rough spot several years down the line as everything around them continues to advance. Without going too deep into spoilers, Russia will be gaining some territory and it will be gaining sole suzerainty over the Danubian Principalities. It also avoids scuttling its entire Black Seas Fleet and it will keep its retain its status as Defender of the Ottoman Christains.
You are certainly right, the further the Greeks push against the Ottomans, the more push back they will get. Not just from the Ottomans, but also from the Bulgarians and the Russians as their competing claims will make them adversaries real quick, especially if they come close to Constantinople. Greece does not have the capacity to conquer all of Anatolia and restore the Byzantine Empire, despite my not so subtle interest in doing so. It simply doesn't have the people, nor the will necessary to completely subdue the Turks. If they tried to do it anyway, it would likely end in disaster for all involved as sectarianism and terrorism destroy Greece. Nevertheless, Greece is stronger and wealthier ITTL, which will enable it to push further than it reasonably should.
A victorious Russia is definitely a scary premise for many states in Europe, particularly those bordering it, but it is becoming increasingly isolated diplomatically. Its only real allies are Prussia and Austria, and its decision to essentially take over Galicia-Lodomeria, will ruin their relationship with Vienna. Their army, while certainly large, is not as powerful as its numbers would imply due to a poor supply system, weak leaders, and outdated equipment and tactics. Britain may not have succeeded in building a coalition against Russia in this war, but it could definitely succeed in doing so for the next war, if it is so inclined. That said, after trying and failing at coalition building here, a spurned Britain might stay out of the next war entirely and leave the Continentals to face Russia by themselves.
I'm generally using OTL Ottoman censuses for the Greek population of the Ottoman Empire. While they certainly aren't perfect, they tend to underestimate the Christian populations, which are then generally lumped together, I have managed to work with it to a degree.
It was a reference to the pride of the Kolokotronoi, specifically Theodore Kolokotronis' notorious pride being his downfall (choosing to stay atop his horse where he was an easy target, rather than seeking safety in the hills or bushes of Dervenakia.
Generally speaking, the British are upgrading a few Greek ports and their amenities to accommodate British warships and their crews. This includes expanding the docks, wharfs, nearby warehouses and supply depots, drydocks, and other such things. They are also aiding the construction of the Corinth Canal by providing a few engineers to help oversee the whole process. Beyond that though, they're not really do much else. Its important to note that the British are doing all of this for their own benefit, not the Greeks, although the Greeks will definitely benefit from this too in the long term.
The Corinth Canal is a low priority for the British right now, as they are only providing a handful of engineers, foremen and overseers to ensure the construction process goes smoothly and efficiently. The workforce building the canal is predominantly Greek and the money paying for the project is largely coming from Athens, not London. Moreover, the British are only telling the Greeks what they need to know to avoid any more accidents, they are not giving away industry secrets.
Britain has a couple of reasons to continue supporting the Ottomans even after this war. The first and most obvious is to be a bulwark against Russia, so they can't get access to the Mediterranean, which would threaten British interests in the area. The second is financial. They've given the Ottomans tens of millions of Pounds Sterling in loans both before this war and during, so they will want to make sure the Ottomans pay them back, with interest. They also have numerous trade concessions with the Ottomans as mentioned in Part 77, concessions which have effectively killed the nascent Ottoman industry, making them dependant upon the British for manufactured goods. Outside of the United States and Germany, the Ottoman Empire is one of Britain's largest trading partners so they will want to ensure that doesn't change.
Now, obviously this war will sour relations between the two countries, but the Ottomans have more of a bone to pick with the British, than the British do with the Ottomans. So if anyone is breaking this arrangement it will be the Turks. That said, you are definitely right in that the British have other options for friends outside of the Ottomans; Greece for instance is a good option as is Prussia, Hungary, or Sweden-Norway.
Regarding late participants in the War:
More than likely, no one will join the war at this point as the outcome is all but decided. However, that won't stop some states from sabre rattling to force a more favorable outcome.
Regarding the location of the Peace Conference:
I was originally considering Athens as the location of the Peace Conference, owing to their strong ties to both Britain and Russ. That was before I decided to give them all of Thessaly and Epirus in their deal with the Ottomans. Now my choice is a different capital city located in Western Europe, a country that has stayed neutral in the war, but it does have ties to the conflict. It also has a long history of hosting peace conferences dating back hundreds of years.
Yes, I wonder where all those veteran Poles will go?@Duke of Orlando this is a very good idea! But I wonder if we could see a Philhellenes League formed by Greece, sometime in the future. I know that there have been military forces of Philhellenes (and also the Redshirt Garibaldines in OTL Greco-Turkish War 1897 and in the Balkan Wars 1912-13), but these were volunteer forces.
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A lot will probably go to Britain after the war and continue their military service (a man has to make a living you know), many will go back to Hungary where a lot of their families are, some will stay in the Ottoman Empire as per OTL, some will go back to Russia to prepare for the next revolution, and some will go elsewhere. The idea of a Polish Legion in Greek service is certainly possible given the fact that a few Poles are already in Greece after the failure of their recent revolution. So it could happen, but I wouldn't expect a lot.
Frankfurt is the capital of the "Federal German Empire" ITTL, however, the real power brokers in Germany are still Austria and Prussia who don't pay much attention to the Frankfurt Government.
After this current Great Eurasian War arc is ended, I'll do a quick trip around the world to do some updates on some places I've been neglecting, the United States in particular will receive a lot of attention as will Italy, Germany and France. After that its back to Greece for quite some time.
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