8mm to the Left: If Hitler Died in 1923
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What did you use for AI? Leonardo or MidJourney or something else?
The British, French, Portuguese, Belgians and Dutch had profitable colonies.
hotpoit.ai was the one I used (shoutout to @eliamartin65 for getting me into that). You will see AI help come in a few times throughout the story for certain buildings or people of which we don't have real pictures, but which I wanted to depict
Again, my main point of the post is that fascism is inherently irrational. Revolving about land-grabbing for national pride, reliving past glories, supremacism (cultural or racial), and whatnot.
I am also a bit surprised that no one has brought up the fact that Maurras and the Integralists getting the aid of the Fascists is going to lead to a really unhappy marriage. After all, Integralism opposed a lot of the things that Fascism (at least of the Italian kind) advocated for, like French cultural superiority and assimilation, plus colonial hegemony. What you get from combinding those two is a very unhappy marriage that can only work as long as they have a common enemy.
And it doesn't help that Integralism and Fascism had different worldviews as well, with how Integralism was an arch-reactionary ideology that looked to a romanticized view of the ancien regime while Fascism was a "revolutionary nationalist" ideology with a worldview based around "modernity without democracy", especially with how Mussolini started out a socialist before moving to the right ideologically and Fascism's roots started out in "national syndicalism" as well.
Exactly. Plus the supremacy of your culture was a big part of Fascism, whereas Maurras's whole thing was a "unifying France" which transcended ideology.
Garrison
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Ah yes that rosy past, where men were men, women were women, and casual racism was everywhere...
A nice update and I can see how Anglo-French relations are going to get fraught. If Mussolini starts publicly musing about the Suez Canal things could get very unpleasant very fast.
Of course IOTL it was signing the treaty with the Germans that triggered the pro-allied coup, which backfired spectacularly as it gave the Germans the excuse they needed to invade. Be interesting here if at some point German troops are arriving to defend Yugoslavia.
A nice update and I can see how Anglo-French relations are going to get fraught. If Mussolini starts publicly musing about the Suez Canal things could get very unpleasant very fast.
Of course IOTL it was signing the treaty with the Germans that triggered the pro-allied coup, which backfired spectacularly as it gave the Germans the excuse they needed to invade. Be interesting here if at some point German troops are arriving to defend Yugoslavia.
Garrison
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Alt history may be the most valid use for AI imagery, things that you just can't find and would otherwise require who knows how long with Photoshop for something that's just meant to add a bit of colour to the TL.
One of the fun things to play with has been looking at alternate architecture. It definitely screws up sometimes, but looking for things like alternate palaces or cityscapes is very cool
A shame that the Italian and Yugoslavian monarchies are destined to fall ttl as well. The Italian monarchy really wasn’t destined to fall otl afaik
Sure, Jan
I was on the fence for a long time about that, as well as whether I should risk writing myself into a corner by outright referencing it this early, but to be honest, I think the Italian monarchy won't have a chance. Victor Emmanuel was too poor of a ruler and had too much power to survive such close ties to Mussolini. Plus, without the benefit of falling into the shadow of literal Nazis, I see their enemies being much less willing to go as easy on them as IRL after the fact
On that note, I am betting that the horrible fate of Yugoslavia, for starters, includes the Ustase doing their thing (for context, these people operated the only extermination camp outside of German jurisdiction IOTL).
I suppose that’s fair. If Italy is punished hard after a ttl ww2, would it be possible for a re-seperation of the Two Sicilies? Then that kingdom could at least be restored. They were more pro-monarchy in that part of the country. It would probably be the Sicilian Bourbons and not the Savoyards though
Well that certainly is a horrifying thought…
It would depend on a lot of factors which would constitute spoilers, but I think it is possible. The main issue with doing so, however, is the question of Rome since very few would want to see a reborn Papal State. And completely shattering Italy would be as bad as shattering Germany in terms of creating another enemy
And I assume my psychic powers predicted once more that the Ustase are going to unleash hell on earth as part of what has been implied to happen to Yugoslavia?
I can neither confirm nor deny the possibility of your psychic powers once again proving frustratingly accurate in finding one of the big factors which will badly destabilise and lead to a great deal of suffering in YugoslaviaAnd I assume my psychic powers predicted once more that the Ustase are going to unleash hell on earth as part of what has been implied to happen to Yugoslavia?
Very true. Could it be as simple as just Splitting Italy in two? The Two Sicilies as one state and the rest as another?