A fascist "USSR"

Ultima Ratio

Okay, I know what you're thinking, that title doesn't make sense at all. Let me explain. What I'm looking for is a name for a Russian fascist state that doesn't have "Russia(n)" in the title. Much like how the USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. A nice sounding abbreviation is a plus.

I know that this is hard, since nationalism and everything, so this state might follow a very obscure offshot of fascism. It may not be called fascism at all, but should fit the criteria more or less.

For example, a syndicalist fascist Russia going by the name of United Directorate of Syndicates (UDS).

I hope you get the idea, I know it's a weird one :)

Hard mode: avoid using "Independent States", such as UIS or CIS.
 

Ultima Ratio

Clandango said:
Since fascism was above everything nationalistic, not having the name of your main nationality would be an issue.
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Yeah I know, that's why I'm looking for something more exotic. Perhaps some sort of supranational fascism that aims to hold together the former Russian empire, but not alienate the various peoples in there? I know this is a tough one.
 
Clandango

Clandango

Ultima Ratio said:
Yeah I know, that's why I'm looking for something more exotic. Perhaps some sort of supranational fascism that aims to hold together the former Russian empire, but not alienate the various peoples in there? I know this is a tough one.
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I expect they would have the nationality be like how they do it now, with the the ethnic group Russians being a separate word from citizens of the Russian Federation. Part of why the Russian rulers changed their title from Czar/Tsar to Emperor and Autocract of All the Russias was to make them seem more appealing to non-Russians. Though it might just have been the German rulers at the time thinking it wasn't fancy enough.
 

Ultima Ratio

Clandango said:
Part of why the Russian rulers changed their title from Czar/Tsar to Emperor and Autocract of All the Russias was to make them seem more appealing to non-Russians.
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So the new non-monarchical fascist system could be an evolution of this? Mix in the usual suspects, like militarism, corporatism, maybe even clerical fascism.
 
Clandango

Clandango

While it goes against the OP, I suggest calling it Russia. However, it would be relating to the earlier phrasing, where East Dlavs were split between Great Russians, Little Russians, and White Russians. Might call the country Rus or something. Either way, demographics and history means that whatever this is, it will be a de facto Russian state. I suppose one might try for a Pol Pot style obliterationism, but I imagine that won't hold together very well. We will also need to think about if we are talking about the English name for the country, or the ones the people over there use. We may also see further differentiations between land and ethnicities.
 
Histor32

Histor32

Gulagland..

UISFR - Union of Independent Soviet Fascist Republics
CIS - Commonwealth of Independent States

also .. how big is this Russia..

it could just be called Novagorod or Volgastan or something along those lines
 

skarosianlifeform

Union of Slavic States also means they want to include all Slavs (Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Slovens, Croats, Albanians and Bulgarians included)... and likely Romanians, Hungarians and Balts (who, while non-Slavic, are right in the middle) as well.

And since they're at it, Constantiople and the Straits as well. And having a client state in Greece.
 
Clandango

Clandango

Histor32 said:
Well 1914 Russia while Russian dominated . You have large Ukrainian, huge polish, Belarusian, Baltic and fins..
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They Ukrainians were called Little Russians back then and were kind of groups in with the Great Russians. As for the Balts, Finns, and Poles, they indeed had those. All with languages and religions that didn't exactly go with the Russian Orthodox focus from Moscow and St. Petersburg. Plus those areas were highly developed economically.
 
KarneeKarnay

KarneeKarnay

I could see a Russian style Fascist State existing. The important thing to note is that it would not be like Germany, if anything it would be like Italy. All the different cultures of the Russian Empire and all, you'd need a Big Man figure to unite them all around. In theory the best option for this could be a successful the Soviet faction being initially successful in the Civil War, to only lose it to another faction. That faction goes on to rebuild the country around the idea of getting revenge against Germany, Poland and any breakaway state. The problem becomes industrialization, I don't see Fascist Russia taking on Europe until the 1950s.
 
Histor32

Histor32

Clandango said:
They Ukrainians were called Little Russians back then and were kind of groups in with the Great Russians. As for the Balts, Finns, and Poles, they indeed had those. All with languages and religions that didn't exactly go with the Russian Orthodox focus from Moscow and St. Petersburg. Plus those areas were highly developed economically.
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that's nice ask a Ukrainian what he called himself ;) Ask the Polish or the Fins, or litva or Estonians or Latvians .. The Armenian.. The Georgian.. granted not all of these groups had super strong identity.. Ukraine did. so did the poles and fins and Caucasian. 1914 Russia would be different than a USSR that is fascist at the same size. noted that it was moderately fascist in its own ways under Stalin. communism was just a never ending part of the road map to utopia ;)
 
Histor32

Histor32

I could see a white Russia being fascist ..
I could see a surviving loosing Russian Empire who beats down a revolution and looses a war brest litvosk style turn fascist and real parliamentary
communism in Russia had no real basis for democracy, born in fire and chaos .. remolding and reblending that which it "said" it despised …

There was no reason for dictatorships or serve until you die leaders except for the fact that well.. all the other leaders did it.. so should they.

the workers screwed the pooch
 

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Emphasizing the slavicness of the country or Eurasianess would be the most likely non-Russian alternatives.

"Unified State of Eurasia" has a nice ring to it.

The United Slavic State (as mentioned above) doesn't sound that off either.

Assuming this country has the boundaries of the pre-WW2 USSR, something Eurasian-oriented seems more likely to me.
 
Clandango

Clandango

Histor32 said:
that's nice ask a Ukrainian what he called himself ;) Ask the Polish or the Fins, or litva or Estonians or Latvians .. The Armenian.. The Georgian.. granted not all of these groups had super strong identity.. Ukraine did. so did the poles and fins and Caucasian. 1914 Russia would be different than a USSR that is fascist at the same size. noted that it was moderately fascist in its own ways under Stalin. communism was just a never ending part of the road map to utopia ;)
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Not sure what the winking is for. You will also notice how I referred to things in the spot tense, how in previous posts I mentioned the different uses of words for Russian as an ethnic group and Russian as someone coming from Russia, etc.
 
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