Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes VII (Do Not Post Current Politics or Political Figures Here)
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"Reagan's a conservative, McDonald's a lunatic"
-Unofficial campaign slogan for Regan/Bush '84
-Unofficial campaign slogan for Regan/Bush '84
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The Castle Close to Shore:
Part I
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This is an extremely long time in the making. Around September 2019, in another place, I started working on something I called The Castle Close to Shore. Last year I revisited it and made an array of personnel and election wikiboxes for it, but didn't quite finish. Over the last few weeks I've tinkered with them again and finished them all up, which allows me to finally present this series in an essentially finished form.
As this series contains a number of current political figures, I have made a number of redactions. You can see an uncensored version of the image here.
As this series contains a number of current political figures, I have made a number of redactions. You can see an uncensored version of the image here.
I would like to know why exactly you think that post is a violation of Rule 1.
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Well that entire last sentence sort of falls into that silo. Probably should have been a kick for introducing a SA of someone just for shits and giggles, but I chose to go light.
I think it might have something to do with the title of the thread. We're not supposed to use current politics (there's a separate thread in polchat for that) and while has-beens both mentioned persons are still somewhat active in politics.
Well the second post in this thread is Obama in 2020. 2012 was 11 years ago and Obama, Palin and Clinton are all retired. Abiding by the thread rules is part of why I made Obama bump Biden off the ticket.
It could be how you phrased it. Having the POD be "What if Roger Ailes never sexually assaulted Sarah Palin?" with no corralation on how that leads to Palin winning the nomination and then losing the general could be seen as taking the piss or being defamatory, espically considering the accusation of Ailes harassing Palin is not that well known.
Senex Custodia Manet - If William McKinley Was Never Assassinated
The 1904 United States presidential election was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Democratic candidate and New York Chief Judge of Appeals Alton B. Parker defeated the Republican candidate, Pennsylvania Senator and Former Attorney General Philander C. Knox in an extremely narrow election.
Both parties faced battles at their respective conventions. On the Republican side, Vice President Theodore Roosevelt was the notable frontrunner, and was quite popular among much of the public and progressive circles of party leadership, however many conversative leaders (particularly President William McKinley who would break with him by 1903 over differing stances on trusts) would voice their opposition to Roosevelt's nomination as they feared his progressive stance on trusts would scare the more conversative, pro-business, pro-banker side of the party. This side of the party drafted another prominent McKinley cabinet member - Attorney General Philander C. Knox, a notably conservative candidate in comparison to Roosevelt. Knox with the support of McKinley and much of the party's dominant conservative wing would narrowly win the nomination on the first ballot, leading to Roosevelt threatening to walkout of the convention. However, he would be assuaged by the inclusion of an antitrust plank (albeit weaker and less substantive than Roosevelt's proposals) to the Republican platform, and the choice of progressive Senator of Iowa Jonathan P. Dolliver for Vice President.
On the Democratic side, their conservative wing took control of the party following William Jennings Bryan's second loss to McKinley in 1900. This takeover was assisted by Democrats' strong performance in the 1902 midterms (in large part due to the stagnant state of McKinley's second term). popular conservative judge Alton B. Parker quickly rose to be the Democratic frontrunner, due to his stark policy differences from Bryan and his residence of New York greatly assisting in the most populous state in the nation. Parker, despite resistance from Bryan's forces and the insurgent candidacy of newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst, would also win the nomination on the first ballot. Parker initially considered elder West Virginia statesman Henry G. Davis as his running mate due to his ability to help fund the campaign, but hesitated due to his age. Ultimately, former Washington representative turned Chicago based lawyer J. Hamilton Lewis was chosen to extend an olive branch to the progressive wing of the party (much like the Republicans did with their vice presidential selection).
The main topic of the election was the Stock Market Crash of 1903. In the wake of the crash, calls for stronger anti-trust laws were renewed due to decreased public confidence in big business. McKinley's administration faced the brunt of the blame, due to the seemingly slow recovery from the recession. While both candidates held a similar stance on antitrust laws, Parker and the Democrats were able to effectively connect Knox to the administration's failures to strengthen antitrust laws, due to Knox's particularly lenient stance on big business and monopolies as Attorney General. For what little (or reliable) polling existed in 1904, Knox was slightly ahead, but the connection to the increasingly unpopular McKinley administration was dragging him down. Parker and Knox were virtually identical on most other issues, but only the Democrats had a vocally anti-imperialist stance and gained favor with labor due to their stance on unions.
Ultimately, it would be Parker and the Democrats that would win the election, with 246 electoral votes and 47% of the popular vote, winning just 16 electoral votes and 1% of the popular vote more than Knox. Progressive turnout was radically low compared to prior elections, with many either not turning out to vote at all, or deciding to vote for Socialist candidate Eugene Debs, who won a strong 4.5% and just under 600,000 votes. This was the first election won by a Democrat since 1892, but also the first election in which Idaho and Utah voted for the Republican candidate, and the first election where California, Wisconsin and Illinois did not vote for the winner of the election since 1884 (though the latter came within 35,000 votes of doing so).
The 1904 United States presidential election was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Democratic candidate and New York Chief Judge of Appeals Alton B. Parker defeated the Republican candidate, Pennsylvania Senator and Former Attorney General Philander C. Knox in an extremely narrow election.
Both parties faced battles at their respective conventions. On the Republican side, Vice President Theodore Roosevelt was the notable frontrunner, and was quite popular among much of the public and progressive circles of party leadership, however many conversative leaders (particularly President William McKinley who would break with him by 1903 over differing stances on trusts) would voice their opposition to Roosevelt's nomination as they feared his progressive stance on trusts would scare the more conversative, pro-business, pro-banker side of the party. This side of the party drafted another prominent McKinley cabinet member - Attorney General Philander C. Knox, a notably conservative candidate in comparison to Roosevelt. Knox with the support of McKinley and much of the party's dominant conservative wing would narrowly win the nomination on the first ballot, leading to Roosevelt threatening to walkout of the convention. However, he would be assuaged by the inclusion of an antitrust plank (albeit weaker and less substantive than Roosevelt's proposals) to the Republican platform, and the choice of progressive Senator of Iowa Jonathan P. Dolliver for Vice President.
On the Democratic side, their conservative wing took control of the party following William Jennings Bryan's second loss to McKinley in 1900. This takeover was assisted by Democrats' strong performance in the 1902 midterms (in large part due to the stagnant state of McKinley's second term). popular conservative judge Alton B. Parker quickly rose to be the Democratic frontrunner, due to his stark policy differences from Bryan and his residence of New York greatly assisting in the most populous state in the nation. Parker, despite resistance from Bryan's forces and the insurgent candidacy of newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst, would also win the nomination on the first ballot. Parker initially considered elder West Virginia statesman Henry G. Davis as his running mate due to his ability to help fund the campaign, but hesitated due to his age. Ultimately, former Washington representative turned Chicago based lawyer J. Hamilton Lewis was chosen to extend an olive branch to the progressive wing of the party (much like the Republicans did with their vice presidential selection).
The main topic of the election was the Stock Market Crash of 1903. In the wake of the crash, calls for stronger anti-trust laws were renewed due to decreased public confidence in big business. McKinley's administration faced the brunt of the blame, due to the seemingly slow recovery from the recession. While both candidates held a similar stance on antitrust laws, Parker and the Democrats were able to effectively connect Knox to the administration's failures to strengthen antitrust laws, due to Knox's particularly lenient stance on big business and monopolies as Attorney General. For what little (or reliable) polling existed in 1904, Knox was slightly ahead, but the connection to the increasingly unpopular McKinley administration was dragging him down. Parker and Knox were virtually identical on most other issues, but only the Democrats had a vocally anti-imperialist stance and gained favor with labor due to their stance on unions.
Ultimately, it would be Parker and the Democrats that would win the election, with 246 electoral votes and 47% of the popular vote, winning just 16 electoral votes and 1% of the popular vote more than Knox. Progressive turnout was radically low compared to prior elections, with many either not turning out to vote at all, or deciding to vote for Socialist candidate Eugene Debs, who won a strong 4.5% and just under 600,000 votes. This was the first election won by a Democrat since 1892, but also the first election in which Idaho and Utah voted for the Republican candidate, and the first election where California, Wisconsin and Illinois did not vote for the winner of the election since 1884 (though the latter came within 35,000 votes of doing so).
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Btw, speaking of the very notion of "Current Politics". It has always seemed to me, and this is more or less confirmed by experience, that in these threads it most often means "Current American Politics". I have a feeling that even if one uses for example Emmanuel Macron or Vladimir Putin, it won't cause much of a problem. And if one uses Élisabeth Borne or Mikhail Mishustin, it won't cause problems for sure.
Surely if you use Putin, Macron or any post-Brexit PM on wikibox, it is seen as current politics.
A Glimpse into the NALverse: the new (and "improved") pre NAL president list
President of the Republic of America
For the leader of the Unrelated United States of the Americas see: President of the United States of the Americas; For the Leader of the Nation legally descended from the Republic of America, see: Head Archon of the New Achaean League, Most Loyal Advisor of the New Achaean League, Head of the National Ecclesia, and Achaean Leadership Issue.
The President of the Republic of America (from 1820 to 1832 the President of the American Nationalist Union) was the head of state/head of government of the Republic of America. The President directed the executive branch of the federal government and was the commander-in-chief of the Republic of America Armed Forces.
The power of the presidency was de facto near absolute, with the Senate and House of Peoples (representing the States and the non-Aboriginal Citizens, respectively) acting as rubber stamps when aligned with the president, and bypassed when not. Prior to its disbandment in 1832, it was by far the most powerful office in the nation, with only the Secretary of State (the de facto successor of the president in case of death) coming close to its power.
There were Thirteen Presidents in total, with the longest being William Wirt (serving for 15 years, 8 months, and 21 days), and the shortest being James Buchanan (serving for only 33 days). Two were independent or American Nationalist, and four were members of the Patriot League or the (First) Sons of Liberty.
The Presidency was formally and permanently disbanded on August 15, 1833, during the Tribunal for Crimes Committed against the People of the Nation (the term American going out of use after the Aneipota Enklimata of the Wirt Regime), with all living former Presidents (which was only Gallatin and Buchanan) being sentenced to Treason against the People of the Nation, with Gallatin being sentenced to a full banning from both national and state politics (he would later go on to form the Achaean Etymology Society, and be awarded the National Award of the Humanities for his help with preserving several near-extinct Aboriginal Achaean Languages), and Buchanan, after a long court battle lasting into early 1836, would be executed for his total support to the Wirt Regime, Treason against the People of the Nation, Embezzlement of State Funds, Unlawful use of Armed Forces, three counts of Third Degree Murder, and Jaywalking.
President of the Republic of America
For the leader of the Unrelated United States of the Americas see: President of the United States of the Americas; For the Leader of the Nation legally descended from the Republic of America, see: Head Archon of the New Achaean League, Most Loyal Advisor of the New Achaean League, Head of the National Ecclesia, and Achaean Leadership Issue.
The President of the Republic of America (from 1820 to 1832 the President of the American Nationalist Union) was the head of state/head of government of the Republic of America. The President directed the executive branch of the federal government and was the commander-in-chief of the Republic of America Armed Forces.
The power of the presidency was de facto near absolute, with the Senate and House of Peoples (representing the States and the non-Aboriginal Citizens, respectively) acting as rubber stamps when aligned with the president, and bypassed when not. Prior to its disbandment in 1832, it was by far the most powerful office in the nation, with only the Secretary of State (the de facto successor of the president in case of death) coming close to its power.
There were Thirteen Presidents in total, with the longest being William Wirt (serving for 15 years, 8 months, and 21 days), and the shortest being James Buchanan (serving for only 33 days). Two were independent or American Nationalist, and four were members of the Patriot League or the (First) Sons of Liberty.
The Presidency was formally and permanently disbanded on August 15, 1833, during the Tribunal for Crimes Committed against the People of the Nation (the term American going out of use after the Aneipota Enklimata of the Wirt Regime), with all living former Presidents (which was only Gallatin and Buchanan) being sentenced to Treason against the People of the Nation, with Gallatin being sentenced to a full banning from both national and state politics (he would later go on to form the Achaean Etymology Society, and be awarded the National Award of the Humanities for his help with preserving several near-extinct Aboriginal Achaean Languages), and Buchanan, after a long court battle lasting into early 1836, would be executed for his total support to the Wirt Regime, Treason against the People of the Nation, Embezzlement of State Funds, Unlawful use of Armed Forces, three counts of Third Degree Murder, and Jaywalking.
I'm guessing Buchanan was executed for the Jaywalking part, wasn't he?
Is it a general consensus/opinion that McKinley living means no Roosevelt Presidency?
Or just butterflies away by a few years.
When you're lazy to make a proper wikitable
Timeline of Normann dynasties
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Realistically, that's probably the case (he was made VP to limit his political star power)
As for the actual scenario itself, we'll just wait and see...
One of the redactions fails because you've included their name in a later boxThis is an extremely long time in the making. Around September 2019, in another place, I started working on something I called The Castle Close to Shore. Last year I revisited it and made an array of personnel and election wikiboxes for it, but didn't quite finish. Over the last few weeks I've tinkered with them again and finished them all up, which allows me to finally present this series in an essentially finished form.
As this series contains a number of current political figures, I have made a number of redactions. You can see an uncensored version of the image here.
The Republican machine was just too powerful for him to bend to his will by 1904. Mckinley's conservatism was the rule of the land, and the progressive movement was still too ingrained with the more agrarian and populist democrats or the republican farmer labor bloc (that's why the only real progressive forces in the GOP were like Borah in Idaho).
With Roosevelt in the white house to reshape public opinion wjth the help of the Populist and progressive media outlets, he managed to change that *somewhat*. By the 1910s they were pushing back to conservatism.