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This is one of the projects I am currently working on, I am trying to picture the world today if the Confederate States would have managed to gain independence. This is just a rough draft of some of the things I have in mind and yes I borrowed a little from Turtledove, some of his ideas were pretty good.
What do you think? Anything to add?
Alaska – With the Republicans tossed out on their rear after the War of Secession, the Democrats were uninterested in purchasing Alaska from the Russian Empire and the territory remains Russian. The British however pushed their claims further to the west (which Russia was forced to recognize after the loss of the 1877 Russo-Turkish War) as a result Anchorage, Fairbanks and Juneau are Canadian cities.
American Revolution – Both the United States and Confederate States claimed to be the heirs of the American Revolution after the War of Secession. Internationally all European nations and nearly all Latin American nations viewed the US as the rightful heir of the Revolution. After a generation of independence, most southerners began to revere the founding fathers of the CSA, believing the War of Secession to be the Second American Revolution.
Atlanta – The largest city in the Confederate States and a center of culture, finance, fashion and entertainment. The population of Atlanta is roughly 3,500,000.
Atlanta Stock Exchange (SXA) – Is the main Confederate Stock Exchange located on Peachtree Street in downtown Atlanta. The Atlanta Stock Exchange is slightly larger than the Toronto Stock Exchange.
Baja California – Was purchased by the United States from Mexico during the Mexican-Confederate War to prevent the Confederates from taking control of the Mexican state. The purchase nearly led to war between the two North American nations, however too few in the CS supported fighting the Mexicans and United States simultaneously. The Baja Purchase was the last time the CS and US nearly came to war.
Baltimore – Rather than becoming a run down, dying city, Baltimore thrives in the alternate world boasting a population of a million and a half and is the third largest US city on the east coast behind only New York and Philadelphia and ahead of Boston. The city thrived on the defense industry in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, however by the late twentieth century Baltimore relied heavily on the sex industry becoming known as the Amsterdam of North America.
Bank of the United States – The Bank of the United States was resurrected in the late 1870’s when the nation was in a state of euphoria of the centennial jubilee and founding fathers such as Alexander Hamilton enjoyed a surge of popularity not present in OTL.
Baseball – Is the most popular game in the United States and is well known and played in the Confederate States and Canada, although no Major League Team has entered those markets yet. There are two Major Leagues; the century old National League mostly centered east of the Mississippi also known as the senior circuit and the Pacific Coast League which was recognized by the NL as a Major League in the late 1940’s. Several other Leagues were attempted but failed including the American League, the Federal League, the International League and the United States League. The Dixie League (an analog of the Negro League) was popular in the early twentieth century with black Confederates and was often scouted by the NL for talent.
Basketball – Although invented by a Canadian living in New England, basketball is the second most popular sport in the Confederate States and third in the United States. The Confederate States Basketball League is the oldest professional basketball league in the world, followed by the NBA ten years later, however neither professional league generates the interest or revenue of Collegiate Basketball in either country.
Bible Belt – Based mostly in the Confederate States, the Bible Belt stretches from the Gulf of California to the Chesapeake Bay with pockets of Unbibled areas in Southern Florida, Coastal Texas, and around New Orleans and Atlanta. The influence of the Bible belt stretches slightly in the United States mostly into the Border States. Many influential Confederate Fire and Brimstone Preachers speak loudly and critically of the US culture influencing and corrupting the Confederate youth.
Confederate States Health Care – The CSA is the only industrial nation not to adopt full Universal Health Care with coverage differing slightly from state to state. In 2007, the Confederate Congress passed a bill which required states to provide free health care for those earning less than a certain percentage, and give partial subsidization for those making slightly more. The bill was met with hostility by many conservatives who challenged its legality. In 2009 the CS Supreme Court upheld the bill.
Confederate States Movie Production Industry – Like other nations in the early twentieth century, the CSA developed its own native motion picture industry. Centered in Jacksonville, Florida the CSMPI flourished in the 1910’s and 1920’s and for a time was keeping up with Hollywood. However after a Confederate Actress appeared topless, the social conservatives were outraged and demanded something be done to keep that kind of smut from appearing on the screen. Future CS Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black wrote a set of restrictive codes known as Blacks Code.
Constitutional Democratic Party – Is one of two major political parties in the Confederate States of America and is considered to be staunchly right-winged. The Constitutional Democrats are the largest Party in the CS and have its appeal with the Religious Right, and Middle Class whites.
Dakota – Rather than Dakota territory being admitted as two states, it was admitted as one state with its capital and largest city located in Fargo.
Democratic Party (C.S.) – The Democratic Party held an absolute monopoly over Confederate Politics from the time of Independence until the schism that tore the party in two in 1933 with the leftist forming the Populist Democratic Party, and the conservatives forming the Constitutional Democrats.
Democratic Party (U.S.) – Is one of two major political parties in the United States and is considered to be the more conservative party. The Democrats are economically populist, socially conservative and hawkish in foreign policy.
Dixie – Is the national personification of the Confederate States much the same way as Britannia represents the UK, Marianne represents France, and Columbia represents the United States. She is often portrayed holding a spear and wearing a Roman toga.
Federal Health Services – Is what the Universal Health Care system in the United States is called. Founded in 1951, the FHS falls under the jurisdiction of the Department of Health, and the Secretary of Health (a Presidential cabinet position). The FHS is publicly funded and is similar in mission and operation to the VA system for all of its benefits and faults. Of course the Private Health industry co-exists with the Federal System.
Florida Keys – Ceded to the United States by the Confederacy after the War of Secession, the Florida Keys became the sole gateway to the Caribbean by the US. Admitted as a state to the Union in 1982, it is the only state with a majority Spanish speaking population.
Football (American) – The most popular game in the Confederate States and second most popular in the US. In both nations collegiate games are large draws in both interest and money. The NFL which operates exclusively in the US is the oldest professional league, while the CSFL was founded in 1960 after the NFL rejected a place expansion teams in Atlanta and Dallas. The Leagues are known for their different style of play with the NFL being more conservative and defense heavy, the CSFL is very offensive resulting in very high scoring games.
God Save the South – Is the National Anthem for the Confederate States of America
Hail Columbia – Is the National Anthem of the United States of America
Hawaii – Is a Pacific Kingdom and a protectorate of the British Empire/UK. Modern Hawaii is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, and part of the Commonwealth’s Economic Union.
Homosexuality – Is a major issue in this world as well as ours, especially in regards to homosexual marriage. Without the South, many states in the US legalized Gay Marriage after much controversy, others have opted instead for Civil Unions, however all states allow some form of union after the US Supreme court declared it to be illegal to forbid it. In the Confederacy the issue, really isn’t an issue, the Confederate Congress easily passed a constitutional amendment restricting marriage to one man and one woman, and refuses to recognize any homosexual union even from friendly nations such as the US and Canada. Many Confederate born homosexuals leave their home for the more welcoming confines of the U.S., although Atlanta is the Confederate center of homosexual activism.
Interstate – Is a public works and Federally maintained network of highways located in the United States.
Intrastate – Is the Confederate equivalent to the Interstate, but rather than the CS government they were each designed and maintained by the individual states.
Kentucky – In the ATL, Kentucky seceded from the Union after US warships opened fire against Confederate artillery in Charleston SC in 1861. During the War of Secession, Kentucky ranked second behind only Virginia in number of battles fought on its soil. Kentucky has the dubious honor of being the poorest state in the CSA
Liberia – Is a self governing unincorporated territory of the United States located in West Africa. Although Liberian citizens have opted not to pursue statehood, the territory is the wealthiest and most advanced in West Africa. Illegal immigration from neighboring nations has been a major political and economical concern for decades.
Mexican-Confederate War – Was a conflict that began in 1883 and lasted until 1885 which began with Confederate support for the filibuster Second Republic of Sonora which encompassed the Mexican provinces of Sonora and Chihuahua. The war ended with Mexico’s surrender and a Confederate supported tin-pot dictator ruling over Mexico. Sonora and Chihuahua were annexed into the CSA and would become the 14th and 15th states respectively in 1907 and 1911.
Monroe Doctrine – After the War of Secession, the Confederate States expressed no real interest in pursuing the Monroe Doctrine and the United States reeling from its defeat no longer wished to invoke it, nor believed it had the capabilities to do so effectively. The task fell to the Royal Navy. In the late nineteenth century the British and French extended their influence deep into Central America and all but absorbed those nations into their Empire’s. A joint French-British effort began constructing the Nicaragua Canal in 1893, and finished the monumental task in 1902.
Motion Picture Association of the United States – Better known as the MPAUS was founded in the late 1920’s to regulate the MPAUS Code, a similar but less extreme and informal version of Black Code found in the CSA. Movies found immoral and indecent are protested by the Catholic Legion of Decency.
Pearl Harbor – Is the site of a major base for the Royal Navy
Philadelphia – Is the fourth largest city and the capital of the United States. The capital was moved in the 1870’s after the US and CS nearly returned to a state of war over the status of runaway slaves and bounty hunters operating on US soil. Many US Senators and Representatives did not want to be held hostage by Confederate cannons voted to move the capital. Philadelphia was chosen for historical purposes over runner up Chicago which was still recovering from the great fire of 1871.
Polygamy – Considered to be the next great battle in the Civil Rights Revolution, Polygamy is hotly debated in Europe, Canada and the US. The Confederacy has already settled the debate with the Constitutional Amendment limited marriage to one man and one woman.
Popular Democrats – Is a major political party in the Confederate States. Although considered liberal, and derided as socialists by the conservatives, the Popular Democrats are center-right and share more in common with the Blue Dog Democrats of OTL than any Socialist Party.
Powel House – Like in TL-191, the Powell House has become the Presidential Executive Manor in the United States. It has been extensively refurbished and it is a well known secret that a major bunker lies beneath the structure that can withstand anything save for a direct hit by a nuclear missile.
Progressive Party – Is one of two major political parties in the United States, the Progressives are the liberal Social Democrats of US politics, and although smaller than the Democratic Party, the Progressives are very influential and have introduced many reforms including New Deal/Great Society-like Programs.
Republican Party – Is a historical political party in the United States in the mid to late nineteenth century. The Republican Party was blamed for the loss of the War of Secession and for the Economic Recession in the 1880’s which led to the downfall of the GOP. The Party disbanded with many former members joining the Populist Party, Greenback Party, the Liberal Party or the Democratic Party.
Washington – The Federal City was abandoned by the government in the 1870's and became part of the state of Maryland. It is currently the second largest city in Maryland behind only Baltimore with a population of about 85,000.
West Virginia – Is a state in the Union formed during the War of Secession from the western counties of Virginia and the eastern counties of Kentucky that was occupied by the Union Army of General U.S. Grant. West Virginia was admitted as a state in 1863 and was ceded by the Confederacy when the US Federal government agreed to assume 1/3 of the debt of Virginia and 1/7 of the debt of Kentucky (the debt was then passed on to WV). Wheeling is the largest city (pop 150,000) and capital.
What do you think? Anything to add?
Alaska – With the Republicans tossed out on their rear after the War of Secession, the Democrats were uninterested in purchasing Alaska from the Russian Empire and the territory remains Russian. The British however pushed their claims further to the west (which Russia was forced to recognize after the loss of the 1877 Russo-Turkish War) as a result Anchorage, Fairbanks and Juneau are Canadian cities.
American Revolution – Both the United States and Confederate States claimed to be the heirs of the American Revolution after the War of Secession. Internationally all European nations and nearly all Latin American nations viewed the US as the rightful heir of the Revolution. After a generation of independence, most southerners began to revere the founding fathers of the CSA, believing the War of Secession to be the Second American Revolution.
Atlanta – The largest city in the Confederate States and a center of culture, finance, fashion and entertainment. The population of Atlanta is roughly 3,500,000.
Atlanta Stock Exchange (SXA) – Is the main Confederate Stock Exchange located on Peachtree Street in downtown Atlanta. The Atlanta Stock Exchange is slightly larger than the Toronto Stock Exchange.
Baja California – Was purchased by the United States from Mexico during the Mexican-Confederate War to prevent the Confederates from taking control of the Mexican state. The purchase nearly led to war between the two North American nations, however too few in the CS supported fighting the Mexicans and United States simultaneously. The Baja Purchase was the last time the CS and US nearly came to war.
Baltimore – Rather than becoming a run down, dying city, Baltimore thrives in the alternate world boasting a population of a million and a half and is the third largest US city on the east coast behind only New York and Philadelphia and ahead of Boston. The city thrived on the defense industry in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, however by the late twentieth century Baltimore relied heavily on the sex industry becoming known as the Amsterdam of North America.
Bank of the United States – The Bank of the United States was resurrected in the late 1870’s when the nation was in a state of euphoria of the centennial jubilee and founding fathers such as Alexander Hamilton enjoyed a surge of popularity not present in OTL.
Baseball – Is the most popular game in the United States and is well known and played in the Confederate States and Canada, although no Major League Team has entered those markets yet. There are two Major Leagues; the century old National League mostly centered east of the Mississippi also known as the senior circuit and the Pacific Coast League which was recognized by the NL as a Major League in the late 1940’s. Several other Leagues were attempted but failed including the American League, the Federal League, the International League and the United States League. The Dixie League (an analog of the Negro League) was popular in the early twentieth century with black Confederates and was often scouted by the NL for talent.
Basketball – Although invented by a Canadian living in New England, basketball is the second most popular sport in the Confederate States and third in the United States. The Confederate States Basketball League is the oldest professional basketball league in the world, followed by the NBA ten years later, however neither professional league generates the interest or revenue of Collegiate Basketball in either country.
Bible Belt – Based mostly in the Confederate States, the Bible Belt stretches from the Gulf of California to the Chesapeake Bay with pockets of Unbibled areas in Southern Florida, Coastal Texas, and around New Orleans and Atlanta. The influence of the Bible belt stretches slightly in the United States mostly into the Border States. Many influential Confederate Fire and Brimstone Preachers speak loudly and critically of the US culture influencing and corrupting the Confederate youth.
Confederate States Health Care – The CSA is the only industrial nation not to adopt full Universal Health Care with coverage differing slightly from state to state. In 2007, the Confederate Congress passed a bill which required states to provide free health care for those earning less than a certain percentage, and give partial subsidization for those making slightly more. The bill was met with hostility by many conservatives who challenged its legality. In 2009 the CS Supreme Court upheld the bill.
Confederate States Movie Production Industry – Like other nations in the early twentieth century, the CSA developed its own native motion picture industry. Centered in Jacksonville, Florida the CSMPI flourished in the 1910’s and 1920’s and for a time was keeping up with Hollywood. However after a Confederate Actress appeared topless, the social conservatives were outraged and demanded something be done to keep that kind of smut from appearing on the screen. Future CS Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black wrote a set of restrictive codes known as Blacks Code.
Constitutional Democratic Party – Is one of two major political parties in the Confederate States of America and is considered to be staunchly right-winged. The Constitutional Democrats are the largest Party in the CS and have its appeal with the Religious Right, and Middle Class whites.
Dakota – Rather than Dakota territory being admitted as two states, it was admitted as one state with its capital and largest city located in Fargo.
Democratic Party (C.S.) – The Democratic Party held an absolute monopoly over Confederate Politics from the time of Independence until the schism that tore the party in two in 1933 with the leftist forming the Populist Democratic Party, and the conservatives forming the Constitutional Democrats.
Democratic Party (U.S.) – Is one of two major political parties in the United States and is considered to be the more conservative party. The Democrats are economically populist, socially conservative and hawkish in foreign policy.
Dixie – Is the national personification of the Confederate States much the same way as Britannia represents the UK, Marianne represents France, and Columbia represents the United States. She is often portrayed holding a spear and wearing a Roman toga.
Federal Health Services – Is what the Universal Health Care system in the United States is called. Founded in 1951, the FHS falls under the jurisdiction of the Department of Health, and the Secretary of Health (a Presidential cabinet position). The FHS is publicly funded and is similar in mission and operation to the VA system for all of its benefits and faults. Of course the Private Health industry co-exists with the Federal System.
Florida Keys – Ceded to the United States by the Confederacy after the War of Secession, the Florida Keys became the sole gateway to the Caribbean by the US. Admitted as a state to the Union in 1982, it is the only state with a majority Spanish speaking population.
Football (American) – The most popular game in the Confederate States and second most popular in the US. In both nations collegiate games are large draws in both interest and money. The NFL which operates exclusively in the US is the oldest professional league, while the CSFL was founded in 1960 after the NFL rejected a place expansion teams in Atlanta and Dallas. The Leagues are known for their different style of play with the NFL being more conservative and defense heavy, the CSFL is very offensive resulting in very high scoring games.
God Save the South – Is the National Anthem for the Confederate States of America
Hail Columbia – Is the National Anthem of the United States of America
Hawaii – Is a Pacific Kingdom and a protectorate of the British Empire/UK. Modern Hawaii is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, and part of the Commonwealth’s Economic Union.
Homosexuality – Is a major issue in this world as well as ours, especially in regards to homosexual marriage. Without the South, many states in the US legalized Gay Marriage after much controversy, others have opted instead for Civil Unions, however all states allow some form of union after the US Supreme court declared it to be illegal to forbid it. In the Confederacy the issue, really isn’t an issue, the Confederate Congress easily passed a constitutional amendment restricting marriage to one man and one woman, and refuses to recognize any homosexual union even from friendly nations such as the US and Canada. Many Confederate born homosexuals leave their home for the more welcoming confines of the U.S., although Atlanta is the Confederate center of homosexual activism.
Interstate – Is a public works and Federally maintained network of highways located in the United States.
Intrastate – Is the Confederate equivalent to the Interstate, but rather than the CS government they were each designed and maintained by the individual states.
Kentucky – In the ATL, Kentucky seceded from the Union after US warships opened fire against Confederate artillery in Charleston SC in 1861. During the War of Secession, Kentucky ranked second behind only Virginia in number of battles fought on its soil. Kentucky has the dubious honor of being the poorest state in the CSA
Liberia – Is a self governing unincorporated territory of the United States located in West Africa. Although Liberian citizens have opted not to pursue statehood, the territory is the wealthiest and most advanced in West Africa. Illegal immigration from neighboring nations has been a major political and economical concern for decades.
Mexican-Confederate War – Was a conflict that began in 1883 and lasted until 1885 which began with Confederate support for the filibuster Second Republic of Sonora which encompassed the Mexican provinces of Sonora and Chihuahua. The war ended with Mexico’s surrender and a Confederate supported tin-pot dictator ruling over Mexico. Sonora and Chihuahua were annexed into the CSA and would become the 14th and 15th states respectively in 1907 and 1911.
Monroe Doctrine – After the War of Secession, the Confederate States expressed no real interest in pursuing the Monroe Doctrine and the United States reeling from its defeat no longer wished to invoke it, nor believed it had the capabilities to do so effectively. The task fell to the Royal Navy. In the late nineteenth century the British and French extended their influence deep into Central America and all but absorbed those nations into their Empire’s. A joint French-British effort began constructing the Nicaragua Canal in 1893, and finished the monumental task in 1902.
Motion Picture Association of the United States – Better known as the MPAUS was founded in the late 1920’s to regulate the MPAUS Code, a similar but less extreme and informal version of Black Code found in the CSA. Movies found immoral and indecent are protested by the Catholic Legion of Decency.
Pearl Harbor – Is the site of a major base for the Royal Navy
Philadelphia – Is the fourth largest city and the capital of the United States. The capital was moved in the 1870’s after the US and CS nearly returned to a state of war over the status of runaway slaves and bounty hunters operating on US soil. Many US Senators and Representatives did not want to be held hostage by Confederate cannons voted to move the capital. Philadelphia was chosen for historical purposes over runner up Chicago which was still recovering from the great fire of 1871.
Polygamy – Considered to be the next great battle in the Civil Rights Revolution, Polygamy is hotly debated in Europe, Canada and the US. The Confederacy has already settled the debate with the Constitutional Amendment limited marriage to one man and one woman.
Popular Democrats – Is a major political party in the Confederate States. Although considered liberal, and derided as socialists by the conservatives, the Popular Democrats are center-right and share more in common with the Blue Dog Democrats of OTL than any Socialist Party.
Powel House – Like in TL-191, the Powell House has become the Presidential Executive Manor in the United States. It has been extensively refurbished and it is a well known secret that a major bunker lies beneath the structure that can withstand anything save for a direct hit by a nuclear missile.
Progressive Party – Is one of two major political parties in the United States, the Progressives are the liberal Social Democrats of US politics, and although smaller than the Democratic Party, the Progressives are very influential and have introduced many reforms including New Deal/Great Society-like Programs.
Republican Party – Is a historical political party in the United States in the mid to late nineteenth century. The Republican Party was blamed for the loss of the War of Secession and for the Economic Recession in the 1880’s which led to the downfall of the GOP. The Party disbanded with many former members joining the Populist Party, Greenback Party, the Liberal Party or the Democratic Party.
Washington – The Federal City was abandoned by the government in the 1870's and became part of the state of Maryland. It is currently the second largest city in Maryland behind only Baltimore with a population of about 85,000.
West Virginia – Is a state in the Union formed during the War of Secession from the western counties of Virginia and the eastern counties of Kentucky that was occupied by the Union Army of General U.S. Grant. West Virginia was admitted as a state in 1863 and was ceded by the Confederacy when the US Federal government agreed to assume 1/3 of the debt of Virginia and 1/7 of the debt of Kentucky (the debt was then passed on to WV). Wheeling is the largest city (pop 150,000) and capital.
