DBWI: Avoid the Grand slam

[Straha]

Your challenge if you choose to accept it is to avoid the Grand Slam(also called Great Depression II) of 2011-2035. Would it be possible to somehow POD away the mounting US debt issues, peak oil problems and trade imbalance or was the Grand Slam inevitable?

 

[Scomerger]

It is a possibility that the Grand Slam, as you call it, may be inevitable anywhere in the future. Maybe World War III (providing everyone survive, one way or another) may help contribute to the "mounting US debt issues", "peak oil problems", and "trade imbalances"?

 

[Redem]

Well the u.s were engage in a costy semi-efficient occupation of the middle-east in which half the country (if not all ) were in chaos maybe if we could find a way to make sure that occupation didn't take place, but that would require a POD in the first 70's

 

[Straha]

(OOC: This is a double blind WI. This means you act like you're from that timeline/future)

On another note... Perhaps the US political system wouldn't have splintered into the Democratic Socialist Party, Blood and Honor, Republican, American Christian Democratic Party and Partido Hispano parties?

 

[Redem]

well the political fragmentation was a result of a United States trying to keep it's unity after a crushing WWIII

 

[Max Sinister]

I am still surprised that there are now six parties in the US... can you Americans tell me why exactly the government introduced proportional system? It was because of the rage against the old system (including gerrymandering), but which one of these riots was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?

 

[Straha]

well the political fragmentation was a result of a United States trying to keep it's unity after a crushing WWIII

WWIII? Sheesh you right wing revisionists trying to paint the Wrecker War as some noble struggle. If your "WWIII" was so crushing and heroic then why are we STILL dealing with eco-luddite terrorists here in the US or communist rebels in the mexican federal states? Looks like we've got another Blood and Honor supporting troll here so you're kicked for a week.

 

[Scomerger]

Okay, then. World War III had helped contribute to the "mounting US debt issues", "peak oil problems", and "trade imbalances". Better?

 

[Straha]

I am still surprised that there are now six parties in the US... can you Americans tell me why exactly the government introduced proportional system? It was because of the rage against the old system (including gerrymandering), but which one of these riots was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?

It was either go proportional or have the west coast/northeast/southwest all leave the union.

 

[Straha]

Okay, then. World War III had helped contribute to the "mounting US debt issues", "peak oil problems", and "trade imbalances". Better? (I'm not sarcastic, by the way.)

Depending on when you start the wrecker war(I personally start it after the lebanon war of 2006-2009) you could be right. Alot of people either use the lebanon war as a starting point or go with the first afghan occupaiton from 2001-2013

 

[Redem]

WWIII? Sheesh you right wing revisionists trying to paint the Wrecker War as some noble struggle. If your "WWIII" was so crushing and heroic then why are we STILL dealing with eco-luddite terrorists here in the US or communist rebels in the mexican federal states? Looks like we've got another Blood and Honor supporting troll here so you're kicked for a week.

By no way I'm a B&H it's just Canada consider wrecker war to be WWIII

 

[Straha]

By no way I'm a B&H it's just Canada consider wrecker war to be WWIII

Fair enough. The Wrecker war wasn't really like either world war. Those world wars were against organized states for the most part while the wrecker war was an endless sturggle against insurgents, terrorists and rebels. Basically the Vietnam War, Second Iraq War and Andean war on a global scale.

 

[Scomerger]

Depending on when you start the wrecker war(I personally start it after the lebanon war of 2006-2009) you could be right. Alot of people either use the lebanon war as a starting point or go with the first afghan occupaiton from 2001-2013

Does the U.S. Army occupy Afghanistan as of 2006? Also, does that include the situation in Korea (like North Korea testing missiles)?

 

[Straha]

Does the U.S. Army occupy Afghanistan as of 2006? Also, does that include the situation in Korea (like North Korea testing missiles)?

The US stayed in afghanistan until 2013 in its first phase. North Korea didn't come into play until its regime started collapsing in the middle of the Grand slam and in its fall took out Seoul, Beijin, Tokyo and Seattle.

 

[Scomerger]

The US stayed in afghanistan until 2013 in its first phase. North Korea didn't come into play until its regime started collapsing in the middle of the Grand slam and in its fall took out Seoul, Beijin, Tokyo and Seattle.

Hm, what if the U.S. Army faces the same problems as in Iraq? I'm not sure if the population would support the American occupation of Afghanistan (or the "war" in Afghanistan if you want to call it, just like the Soviet occupation of 1979-89)

 

[Straha]

Hm, what if the U.S. Army faces the same problems as in Iraq? I'm not sure if the population would support the American occupation of Afghanistan (or the "war" in Afghanistan if you want to call it, just like the Soviet occupation of 1979-89)

The afghans adopted guerrila tactics starting in the 2010s. Why do you think we got out of there in 2013 and didn't come back until 2033?

 

[Redem]

Well here one POD no Yom Kippur War, without it the first oil crisis won't happen

 

[Straha]

Well here one POD no Yom Kippur War, without it the first oil crisis won't happen

Perhaps that woudl reduce the arab troubles. The only problem is that no first crissi means less fuel efficiency meaning peak oil comes 10 years early in 2002 instead of 2012. The troubles caused by Peak oil/the second oil crisis are inevitable. The best we could have gotten would be sane, reasonable leadership in the US in the crucial years of 2001-2013(its a shame the GOP of 2006 was the party of the B & H and Christian democrat types...). That woudl have seriously reduced the pain we'd have gone through.

 

[Scomerger]

The afghans adopted guerrila tactics starting in the 2010s. Why do you think we got out of there in 2013 and didn't come back until 2033?

I don't know. To improvise the U.S. Military to counter guerrilla tactics more effectively?

 

[Straha]

I don't know. To improvise the U.S. Military to counter guerrilla tactics more effectively?

No. The guerrila tactics were offending the liberals(just think: back then "liberal" meant socialist) who dominated the old democratic party so that was politiclaly impossible until after we went to proportional representation, permanently reducing the influence of types like them. To get this you'd need to have the dems in power from 2001-2013, which is long enough for them to FUBAR thingsl ike how the old GOP did(no matter what either party tried it wouldn't have worked).