Map Thread XXII

Hapsburg

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An old worlda-style one, but something I whipped up from tweaking borders in the course of revising my earlier posts in the 1967+ Mk.III timeline. Just fixing issues that stemmed from my ignorance of geopolitics when I was uhhh in my early twenties. So this has spun out of it.

The World, circa 2077, on eve of the Third World War. The global interlocking diplomatic games have coalesced into four alliances, some of which overlap. NATO is the oldest, once thought to be a 20th century relic, but reinvigorated in the 2050s and 2060s as the new Russian Empire; its charter was amended to include operations north of the equator, allowing Caribbean nations, Venezuela, and Guyana to join, along with certain Mediterranean states, though it is led by a US-EU partnership.
It overlaps somewhat with the Indo-Pacific Oceans Security Alliance, or IPOSA. This is a defensive alliance anchored by the US and China, focused on security in the Indian Ocean and South Pacific, with an emphasis on Oceania, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa.
This, in turn, overlaps slightly with the Asian and African Cooperation Commission, a primarily economic alliance and mutual defense pact led by China. It is a successor to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and is a vehicle for Chinese economic assistance and soft power across Africa, South Asia, and recently Brazil. While a name-change was being considered, the looming global war is deemed bigger threat, and the alliance pivoted in the 2070s to allowing joint basing of Chinese troops alongside their host country's military. This has given China a military foothold in the Sahel, and a naval presence in the South Atlantic.

These three alliances are roughly united, though perhaps tensely, in opposition to the rising threat: the Samarkand Development Union, a military and economic alliance led by Imperial Russia. Ever since the Tsarist seizure of power in 2037, Russia contributed to the proliferation of far-right movements and instability in neighboring states, and formed alliances with similarly-minded traditionalist right-wing dictatorships. The resulting SDU has been gearing up for war against both the capitalist west and socialist east, at least according to its own internal warped logic (in reality, China had pivoted to social democracy in the 2040s, aligning it ideologically with most of the EU and the US). The SDU is thus a motley collection of nations across Eastern Europe, central and southern Asia, South America, and western and southern Africa, all bound together by their agreement on national-conservative and authoritarian governing models, and economic cooperation to uphold security measures. Its harshest critics refer to it as a neo-fascist alliance, especially in light of its funding of far-right insurrectionaries in Europe and political disinformation campaigns in America.

These competing interests run headlong into war come December 2077.

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Working on my own unique universe, current year is 2073 and POD is 2023 (no current politics, this is a far future map), which presents a Cold War redux, though not in the way you think. Sure there is a China-led bloc, and there were skirmishes in the South China Sea,

But the more interesting thing is an ideology that spread like wildfire across the Islamic world (and to a lesser extent in the Christian World) called Renewal (crappy name I know), basically a melange of eco-socialism, political religion, and bottom-up democracy. Opposing it is the secular-neoliberalism of the West.

Much like OTL's Cold War, there are proxy wars and rebel groups, a much more violent kind of "Sino-Soviet Split," and an ideological competition where nobody is sure who will triumph.

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Debating on making the "Renewal Bloc" much more varied in color and less green, to press the point that 1) It's not really an Islamist project the way we would consider it, 2) It's not really a geopolitical bloc.

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Working on my own unique universe, current year is 2073 and POD is 2023 (no current politics, this is a far future map), which presents a Cold War redux, though not in the way you think. Sure there is a China-led bloc, and there were skirmishes in the South China Sea,

But the more interesting thing is an ideology that spread like wildfire across the Islamic world (and to a lesser extent in the Christian World) called Renewal (crappy name I know), basically a melange of eco-socialism, political religion, and bottom-up democracy. Opposing it is the secular-neoliberalism of the West.

Much like OTL's Cold War, there are proxy wars and rebel groups, a much more violent kind of "Sino-Soviet Split," and an ideological competition where nobody is sure who will triumph.

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Debating on making the "Renewal Bloc" much more varied in color and less green, to press the point that 1) It's not really an Islamist project the way we would consider it, 2) It's not really a geopolitical bloc.

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Wait, Russia has managed to puppetise whole East Europe, Finland, Norway and even Quebec?
 

Hapsburg

Banned
I'm amused that we both posted maps with an independent Quebec, with coloration implying that it's a Russian puppet or ally (in your case, not; in my case, it is).
 
I'm amused that we both posted maps with an independent Quebec, with coloration implying that it's a Russian puppet or ally (in your case, not; in my case, it is).
The Watsonian reason for Quebecois Independence is that it's plausible they win ONCE over the next 50 years, and a separatist vote only has to win once, while a loyalist vote has to win every time.

The Doylist reason is that I find an independent Quebec and Greenland to make for a more aesthetically pleasing North America.
 
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This is my vision of a sequel to S.M. Stirling’s Nantucket Series, AKA the Island in the Sea of Time Trilogy (ISOT), in which the present day Island of Nantucket finds itself teleported back to 1250 B.C. It is the time of Ramses II (that Ramses), the time of the Trojan War. The Island has not only to adapt to the Bronze Age, but confront the machinations of William Walker, a ruthless megalomaniac that deserts with some companions and uses their knowledge of the future to conquer Mycenean Greece and forge a super power with himself as High-King. The story ends right when things were getting interesting and since there’s no sequel, I decided to make one.

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It has been 10 years since William Walker, High Wanax (King) of the Achaeans died at the hands of his own ruthless secret police chief. His closest Achaean advisor and supporter, Odikweos of Ithaka (Odysseus. Yes that Odysseus) had for a long time suspected him to be lying about his origins. He knew that Walker came from the far away Island of Nantucket, called the Eagle People for their patron God (though their King insisted he did not even believe in Gods, something Odikweos found hard to grasp). He knew Walker and his allies held too much knowledge of his lands, of where to find wondrous resources, to be simply a different advanced people. They were either some sort of Demigod race, or they came from the times to be. And he hated Walker for what he did to Achaea. Yes, Mycenean Greece now ruled an Empire they could never have imagined before, but it did so through mass enslavement, through a secret police that even the Telestai, the Achaean aristocracy, feared. The cities founded by the Nantucketer deserters, such as Neayoruck, Filadelkar and Atwanka (you get the naming convention) were ruled as glorified slave camps. And worst, Odikweos has read the Odyssey. He knew that, had Walker not come, his name would’ve gone down in legend and still be known 3 thousand years from now. Walker stole that from him. And now Walker was dead.

Odikweos seized the reigns of power, making himself High King. Peace was made with Nantucket, the Hittites and the Babylonians (all allies of that far away Island). Sicily was made independent, its enslaved population forever holding a grudge. Odikweos was fine with all that. He wished for peace, but that did not mean he would settle for anything less than greatness for the Achaean people. The excesses of Walker’s regime were toned down. The Mass enslavement ended (though the practice itself could not simply be removed overnight). The Secret Police destroyed, along with a particularly nefarious snake cult headed by Walker’s former (now very deceased) concubine.

But overall the bones of Greater Achaea were preserved and expanded upon. The Rail lines, where before Elephants imported from Egypt pulled carts, now boasted actual steam engines. This, coupled with the concrete roads, made transportation incredibly more efficient across Achaea. The Sacro Collegium, Walker’s attempt at a State Religion, proved an useful tool to strengthening religious authority (it helped that Odikweos genuinely believed himself a descendant of Zeus Pater). He was anointed as rightful High King by the Priests, and his son, Telemakion, would one day take his place, divine succession slowly becoming very much a thing. The many Vassals of Achaea proper (those in lands not governed by Achaean Telestai or Achaean colonists) were ruled through a bureaucratic administration that sought to assimilate these people culturally as soon as possible, and Greater Achaea now expanded as far north as the Great River (the Danube), where Odikweos founded a number of colonies. Troy, now a conquered vassal, was quickly rebuilt, and the High King made a show of being merciful and generous to his new subjects as a way of distancing them from their former Hittite overlords.

The technologies introduced by the Nantucketer’s were simply wondrous. Breechloading Rifles were already being replaced by repeaters as the standard for the Achaean army, while steam boats, steam trainsand steam airships made movement so much simpler. Their military remained the most powerful in the Mediterranean. Telegraph and telephone polls went up all over the major Achaean towns. Paved roads, and arched architecture. Concrete, cement, steel!

Walkeropolis, the capital of Greater Achaea, now has brick as well as concrete buildings on a grid style, underground sewage and horse pulled trolleys. It is a capital of poetry, industry and commerce. Many other cities has also flourished, some founded during Walker’s time, others during Odikweos. And of course, the changes had also come to the ancient Mycenean Cities. Thebes now held a particularly large sports stadium, where a form of proto-football was quickly emerging.

One great positive of the Walker Regime was the birth of social mobility in that land. Before, a person was bound to the land they were born in, most likely to remain under the thumb of their local Telestai. Now they could move to these cities in search of fortune, and often find it. Enroll into a new merchant guild, or perhaps join the army, with a guarantee of land and a pension (most likely in a Italian colony) after a 5 year tour of duty. Or they could even join the Priesthood if they wished, itself a powerful new institution bound to the crown and keen on spreading the worship of the Pantheon of 12 beyond Achaea itself.

Basic germ theory, as well as some knowledge of surgery and dentistry ensured a population boom the world had never seen before, and in the last decade or so the number of Achaeans was increasing exponentially.

Geopolitically, Odikweos needed allies. Both the Hittites and the Babylonians were firmly on the Nantucket camp, and both were too close for comfort. Beyond the sea lay Egypt, and though the Pharao’s technology was still inferior to that of the other great powers, that land held half the human population on the planet. Odikweos made many diplomatic forays to that land in the last few years, formulating a treaty of mutual cooperation. Pharaoh was still angry at the Babylonians seizing Cannan (basically the Levant) and gaining sea access. To the west lay the Iberian Empire of Tartessos, a firm ally. Together both powers had basically carved out the Mediterranean for themselves, though the Sicilian Republic presented a problem. That island had been devastated by Walker’s regime, but now its independence was guaranteed by treaties with Achaea and the might of Nantucket. The latter was determined to make the only other Republican experiment in the planet work, and poured significant resources into the Island through their naval ports in the Babylonian Levant. Beyond the Danube, Greater Achaea can count on the Ringapi, a confederation of Horse riders (a rare thing by 1200 B.C. standard) who fight viciously when given incentive. Odikweos has kept a close eye on them, as he does not wish for any single group to develop into a possible threat to his north. Should they get any ideas, a hot air balloon armed with firebombs would put them back in their place.

Indeed, there has been an unofficial doctrine that everything above the Balkans, to the East of the Italian Peninsual and West of Central Asia was reserved for Achaean economic and political hegemony. The Black Sea is a main focus of Odikweos, and a sort of (still very) cold war has emerged with Hatti Land over that area of the world. The Volga river in particular, holds untold opportunities to the Achaean King.

Overall Greater Achaea rules in peace, for now. It is a peace that the High King and his son wish very much to preserve, but never at the cost of that classic Mycenean pride. Beyond that, who knows what the future (the new future), holds?
 
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This is my vision of a sequel to S.M. Stirling’s Nantucket Series, AKA the Island in the Sea of Time Trilogy (ISOT), in which the present day Island of Nantucket finds itself teleported back to 1250 B.C. It is the time of Ramses II (that Ramses), the time of the Trojan War. The Island has not only to adapt to the Bronze Age, but confront the machinations of William Walker, a ruthless megalomaniac that deserts with some companions and uses their knowledge of the future to conquer Mycenean Greece and forge a super power with himself as High-King. The story ends right when things were getting interesting and since there’s no sequel, I decided to make one.

----------------------------------------------------

It has been 10 years since William Walker, High Wanax (King) of the Achaeans died at the hands of his own ruthless secret police chief. His closest Achaean advisor and supporter, Odikweos of Ithaka (Odysseus. Yes that Odysseus) had for a long time suspected him to be lying about his origins. He knew that Walker came from the far away Island of Nantucket, called the Eagle People for their patron God (though their King insisted he did not even believe in Gods, something Odikweos found hard to grasp). He knew Walker and his allies held too much knowledge of his lands, of where to find wondrous resources, to be simply a different advanced people. They were either some sort of Demigod race, or they came from the times to be. And he hated Walker for what he did to Achaea. Yes, Mycenean Greece now ruled an Empire they could never have imagined before, but it did so through mass enslavement, through a secret police that even the Telestai, the Achaean aristocracy, feared. The cities founded by the Nantucketer deserters, such as Neayoruck, Filadelkar and Atwanka (you get the naming convention) were ruled as glorified slave camps. And worst, Odikweos has read the Odyssey. He knew that, had Walker not come, his name would’ve gone down in legend and still be known 3 thousand years from now. Walker stole that from him. And now Walker was dead.

Odikweos seized the reigns of power, making himself High King. Peace was made with Nantucket, the Hittites and the Babylonians (all allies of that far away Island). Sicily was made independent, its enslaved population forever holding a grudge. Odikweos was fine with all that. He wished for peace, but that did not mean he would settle for anything less than greatness for the Achaean people. The excesses of Walker’s regime were toned down. The Mass enslavement ended (though the practice itself could not simply be removed overnight). The Secret Police destroyed, along with a particularly nefarious snake cult headed by Walker’s former (now very deceased) concubine.

But overall the bones of Greater Achaea were preserved and expanded upon. The Rail lines, where before Elephants imported from Egypt pulled carts, now boasted actual steam engines. This, coupled with the concrete roads, made transportation incredibly more efficient across Achaea. The Sacro Collegium, Walker’s attempt at a State Religion, proved an useful tool to strengthening religious authority (it helped that Odikweos genuinely believed himself a descendant of Zeus Pater). He was anointed as rightful High King by the Priests, and his son, Telemakion, would one day take his place, divine succession slowly becoming very much a thing. The many Vassals of Achaea proper (those in lands not governed by Achaean Telestai or Achaean colonists) were ruled through a bureaucratic administration that sought to assimilate these people culturally as soon as possible, and Greater Achaea now expanded as far north as the Great River (the Danube), where Odikweos founded a number of colonies. Troy, now a conquered vassal, was quickly rebuilt, and the High King made a show of being merciful and generous to his new subjects as a way of distancing them from their former Hittite overlords.

The technologies introduced by the Nantucketer’s were simply wondrous. Breechloading Rifles were already being replaced by repeaters as the standard for the Achaean army, while steam boats, steam trainsand steam airships made movement so much simpler. Their military remained the most powerful in the Mediterranean. Telegraph and telephone polls went up all over the major Achaean towns. Paved roads, and arched architecture. Concrete, cement, steel!

Walkeropolis, the capital of Greater Achaea, now has brick as well as concrete buildings on a grid style, underground sewage and horse pulled trolleys. It is a capital of poetry, industry and commerce. Many other cities has also flourished, some founded during Walker’s time, others during Odikweos. And of course, the changes had also come to the ancient Mycenean Cities. Thebes now held a particularly large sports stadium, where a form of proto-football was quickly emerging.

One great positive of the Walker Regime was the birth of social mobility in that land. Before, a person was bound to the land they were born in, most likely to remain under the thumb of their local Telestai. Now they could move to these cities in search of fortune, and often find it. Enroll into a new merchant guild, or perhaps join the army, with a guarantee of land and a pension (most likely in a Italian colony) after a 5 year tour of duty. Or they could even join the Priesthood if they wished, itself a powerful new institution bound to the crown and keen on spreading the worship of the Pantheon of 12 beyond Achaea itself.

Basic germ theory, as well as some knowledge of surgery and dentistry ensured a population boom the world had never seen before, and in the last decade or so the number of Achaeans was increasing exponentially.

Geopolitically, Odikweos needed allies. Both the Hittites and the Babylonians were firmly on the Nantucket camp, and both were too close for comfort. Beyond the sea lay Egypt, and though the Pharao’s technology was still inferior to that of the other great powers, that land held half the human population on the planet. Odikweos made many diplomatic forays to that land in the last few years, formulating a treaty of mutual cooperation. Pharaoh was still angry at the Babylonians seizing Cannan (basically the Levant) and gaining sea access. To the west lay the Iberian Empire of Tartessos, a firm ally. Together both powers had basically carved out the Mediterranean for themselves, though the Sicilian Republic presented a problem. That island had been devastated by Walker’s regime, but now its independence was guaranteed by treaties with Achaea and the might of Nantucket. The latter was determined to make the only other Republican experiment in the planet work, and poured significant resources into the Island through their naval ports in the Babylonian Levant. Beyond the Danube, Greater Achaea can count on the Ringapi, a confederation of Horse riders (a rare thing by 1200 B.C. standard) who fight viciously when given incentive. Odikweos has kept a close eye on them, as he does not wish for any single group to develop into a possible threat to his north. Should they get any ideas, a hot air balloon armed with firebombs would put them back in their place.

Indeed, there has been an unofficial doctrine that everything above the Balkans, to the East of the Italian Peninsual and West of Central Asia was reserved for Achaean economic and political hegemony. The Black Sea is a main focus of Odikweos, and a sort of (still very) cold war has emerged with Hatti Land over that area of the world. The Volga river in particular, holds untold opportunities to the Achaean King.

Overall Greater Achaea rules in peace, for now. It is a peace that the High King and his son wish very much to preserve, but never at the cost of that classic Mycenean pride. Beyond that, who knows what the future (the new future), holds?
William Walker, Lacedaemonian wannabe :p

This does make me wonder how it would go down when Spartans clash with modern firearms, aside from the expected massacre, I wonder how they'd react culturally. Or did Sparta not even exist yet at this point?
 
William Walker, Lacedaemonian wannabe :p

This does make me wonder how it would go down when Spartans clash with modern firearms, aside from the expected massacre, I wonder how they'd react culturally. Or did Sparta not even exist yet at this point?
Iliad would indicate it existed, thought I am not sure real Bronze Age history supports that.
Sparta never existed, the handful of villages along the Eurotas River being the only real civilization at the area. Any of those could've grown into Sparta, but not here. Here Walkeropolis devoured its neighbors, and the entire area is a big proto-industrial hub.
Curiously, even though Sparta doesn't exist, Agamemnon, Odisseus and Achiles (or at least version of them) all did in the books.

Actual football football or American football?
Correct Football.

Also Edited the image to make the points of interest more readable
 
Curiously, even though Sparta doesn't exist, Agamemnon, Odisseus and Achiles (or at least version of them) all did in the books.
None of them came from Sparta (according to the Illias) Menelaos who was married to Helen was King of Sparta. He was the brother of Agamemnon of Mycaenae. Odysseus came from the isle of Ithaca and Achilles somewhere from Thrace.
 
None of them came from Sparta (according to the Illias) Menelaos who was married to Helen was King of Sparta. He was the brother of Agamemnon of Mycaenae. Odysseus came from the isle of Ithaca and Achilles somewhere from Thrace.
I'm aware. The point is that even though Sparta was mostly likely not a city by that point except in the iliad, S. M. Stirling decided to take the realistic approach with the city but not with all these other semi-legendary figures.
 
My submission for MotF 283:


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A fellow Hail Mary fan! I once had an idea for a scenario called
Project Hail Mary: Second Contact. The premise is that, after Grace dies on Erid, the Eridians transport his body back to Earth for burial and trigger "Second Contact" with Earth. It'd mostly focus on the culture shock and growing pains of the two species getting to know each other, and they'd eventually form the Inevitable Space Federation together, but that would be in the future from the main scenario's POV.
 
A fellow Hail Mary fan! I once had an idea for a scenario called
Project Hail Mary: Second Contact. The premise is that, after Grace dies on Erid, the Eridians transport his body back to Earth for burial and trigger "Second Contact" with Earth. It'd mostly focus on the culture shock and growing pains of the two species getting to know each other, and they'd eventually form the Inevitable Space Federation together, but that would be in the future from the main scenario's POV.
I would read that. Twice!
 
Updated color schemes (and a few more changes). I am more satisfied with this, I feel like it gets the point across without flooding the map with green, and creates more verisimilitude.

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