Reds fanfic

[bookmark95]

I'm pretty sure this has become the longest series of snippets on the fanfics thread and it's amazing.
Now to continue it.

AH.com Thread: Women in American Society


Man I now wonder how many people ITTL AH.com would actually survive transferring over to OTL AH.com. Since ITTL AH.com is far more willing to allow people to personally insult each other and is also more willing to keep far right assholes who would never make it a day before being banned in OTL. AH.com.

As I said on the main thread, the reason why these assholes are tolerated is that they are more prominent in the public eye.

Remember that the TTL Cold War, more so than the OTL Cold War, is a war of ideologies.

OTL, you had an ideologically totalitarian communist state making angry threats versus a center-right capitalist society with some government welfare.

ITTL, you have two socialist giants against an imperialist superpower. And one of those socialist giants is almost completely alien, allowing (if not encouraging) polyamory and free love. And so far, they've remained standing. They still, for the most part at least, can meet the basic human and social needs of their citizens.

After decades of aggressive posturing, there are countless citizens brought up to think that one side is evil and the other is totally wrong. But their prominence is over-exaggerated by each side's state run media. The vast majority of people in the middle can tell the good and bad apart in each society, but still thinking the other is very odd, if not immoral. And thankfully, the extremists don't come to power.

While the administrators of ITTL AH.com may not like the assholes, I think deep down, they prefer these people to be on the Internet starting flame wars rather than joining the army and starting nuclear wars.

My Author Avatar, UpNorth, is someone is in the middle. He eschews extremism, tries not to be judgmental, and avoids making inflammatory statements. He's honed his temper since he has to argue with people on the debate team.

But deep down, since he was raised by Canadians who remember 1978, he directs more of his unease toward his semi-adoptive leaders, the UASR (which reflects my own real-life skepticism to the idea of a successful communist revolution of America), instead of toward the FBU. He thinks that UASR people all have a capacity toward violent extremism.

This view is only reinforced by his occasional trips to Buffalo to visit family. Buffalo, which is only across the old border from Ontario, is a very different place to him, and it makes him anxious. Plus, his family members tend to...lecture him too much on the benefits of the UASR.

The average Socialist American would imagine him as close-minded and somewhat anti-social, but still a decent person. But the extremists, both left and right, think of him as timid little coward. But for the most part, he still tries to be civil, as do most people on this wonderful website.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

My god, I've created a monster, and it's glorious

AH Thread: Women in American Society

It's threads like this that make me come back to AH.com. UpNorth, gotta love the story man. These Western European Mouth breathers really need to get over their own insecurities. Kowashi, my dude, how are you doing? You always seem to calm things down a bit, but I'm afraid there's too many less than intelligent beings on this thread to calm anything down. Religious_Commie, thanks for the reinforcements. I can take on pirates, I can take on African fascists, hell, I can even take on ECF soldiers, but RommelsfistUpMyAss? I need some artillery support!

Honey, if you needed support dealing with that West German moron I'd dump you in a heartbeat.

Hold fast Mi Hermano! I'm coming with the popcorn!

Hey! The gang's all here! Oh boy, this thread just got better.

Great. Two more Marxist nuts joined the fray.

Thems fighting words RB. You don't want to get kicked again do you? Say, I'm surprised the admin hasn't locked this yet. Not that I'm complaining. This is the craziest thread I've seen on here in years.

You know DC, I was gonna lock this thread down a while ago, but it just got... Mesmerizing..... I don't think it's going to be locked down for a while.

 

[bookmark95]

AH Thread: Women in American Society

UpNorth said:

Again, Deleon, you are being very hyperbolic. Yeah, I lost my temper with this sad sack, but I think this is preferable to being in a war zone. I have no eagerness to serve the armies of either capitalism or communism, especially since they have no good maple syrup.

I'm glad Deleon you feel fulfilled by military service, but do you honestly like to get shot at? I mean war can be defined as "getting a medal because someone in a different outfit shot you in the arm"

But if the UASR were so perfect, why does it need an army to defend its ideals?

I can defend the civil rights of women just fine on the debate team, and with AH.com, I can do it from the comfort of my own home, or "collective", as those SECers insist I call it.

 

[BlahBlahBlah]

A problem I have with all of our self-inserts and author avatars is that they feel too self-inserty. Like everyone's making themselves and their friends in the Reds!-verse but the changes are all only cosmetic and it feels like we're just projecting our current values onto TTL people with only a few changes here and there to fit the style/mood (like religions, parties, AH works, etc.) A big piece of this is that I feel like most of the American characters are all characters who are described as relatively conservative (given that most people here would probably be fairly conservative [at least socially] by TTL American standards), and this degree of representation feels really odd to me, it somehow rings untrue. A lot of straight people for a society with polyamory, free love, and where bi-/pansexuality has been described as the norm, at least among the younger generations (or even the middle-aged by this point ITTL).

On the other hand, you could say all this about the whole fanfic thread; it is after all fanfic. We all want to go "what would ourself/our favourite show look like in the Reds!-verse?", and then go and find out. It's all going to be pretty convergent. And of course, there's a difficulty in writing characters alien from yourself; they are, after all, alien. It's easier to write people who feel similar. So of course our self-inserts are going to literally be self-inserts, where they aren't too different from us, a lot of us just happen to be somewhat conservative people by UASR standards. I just find it strange to my eyes.

Sorry for the bit of a rant, I wanted to express my thoughts on it, see if other people agree or disagree. I know the story is meant to be pretty convergent for the sake of fun/familiarity.

Also, Salt Lake City got renamed to Haywood City, unless that was retroactively rescinded; and the Liberation Communist Party eventually became just "Liberation".

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

A problem I have with all of our self-inserts and author avatars is that they feel too self-inserty. Like everyone's making themselves and their friends in the Reds!-verse but the changes are all only cosmetic and it feels like we're just projecting our current values onto TTL people with only a few changes here and there to fit the style/mood (like religions, parties, AH works, etc.) A big piece of this is that I feel like most of the American characters are all characters who are described as relatively conservative (given that most people here would probably be fairly conservative [at least socially] by TTL American standards), and this degree of representation feels really odd to me, it somehow rings untrue. A lot of straight people for a society with polyamory, free love, and where bi-/pansexuality has been described as the norm, at least among the younger generations (or even the middle-aged by this point ITTL).

On the other hand, you could say all this about the whole fanfic thread; it is after all fanfic. We all want to go "what would ourself/our favourite show look like in the Reds!-verse?", and then go and find out. It's all going to be pretty convergent. And of course, there's a difficulty in writing characters alien from yourself; they are, after all, alien. It's easier to write people who feel similar. So of course our self-inserts are going to literally be self-inserts, where they aren't too different from us, a lot of us just happen to be somewhat conservative people by UASR standards. I just find it strange to my eyes.

Sorry for the bit of a rant, I wanted to express my thoughts on it, see if other people agree or disagree. I know the story is meant to be pretty convergent for the sake of fun/familiarity.

Also, Salt Lake City got renamed to Haywood City, unless that was retroactively rescinded; and the Liberation Communist Party eventually became just "Liberation".

I think it cpgot changed back to the LCP. I'm not to sure though.

As for the American characters, simply because the UASR has free love and polyamory doesn't mean that everyone is into it. I mean, my character, for example, votes Liberation because he has a large anti-authoritarian streak, not because he wants to fuck as he pleases.

Besides, the whole point of these Alt-AH posters is that it's about imagining who YOU would be in the Reds world. If someone feels that they would be into that kind of stuff like polyamory and Free love, they can post that on their character.

 

[Mr. C]

The Red Americans know that their ideology is wrong, but they don't want to admit it, so they build up an army. Besides, the Book of Revelation predicts that the Reds are the New Roman Empire. UpNorth, you should've shown that shrew at the "debate class" some tough love, like my husband does. She might have made a good wife. Why do you just let her walk all over you?

Yeah, I don't think our Canadian friend is insane enough to just start smacking her ass. Also, the more you describe your church's doctrine the more I think you've been brainwashed (inb4 "But Islam is a death cult!")

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

AH Thread: Women in American Society

UpNorth, I'm not too sure I understand where that whole diatribe came from. I simply expressed my liking for your personal story. I'm not trying to recruit you into the RDF.

 

[bookmark95]

AH Thread: Women in American Society

UpNorth said:

Sorry Deleon, I just thought you were just overreacting to some troll. Forgive me for taking it too seriously.

 

[Derekc2]

Insightful snip.

I'd imagine that my character, Religious_Commie may be one of the extremists you would dislike. As seen in the posts here, he has a tendency to insult the opposition on this thread as soon as he entered the thread and as seen in his Code Geass thread used it as a way to take pot shots at the FBU. He also used the tendency in the FBU for movie franchises as a way to take a pot shot at the capitalist system.

As I imagine him as someone who can be nice and polite, especially with his friends, but when he is dealing with something he dislikes is not willing to let the sleeping dogs lie and thus go off and challenge it. Which is especially problematic online as it would, as shown here, get him incredibly tied to the argument.

Also at some point I'm planning for him to post something about how it was a mistake to give the Truman Plan to Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe as it allowed the capitalists to regain control of the situation and state that the radicals had the right idea of not being willing to financially support the FBU. I don't know when though.

Anyway I think I'm going to make his character sheet now

Name: Religious_Commie
Age:18
Gender: Male
Sexuality: Bisexual (Is more sexually attracted to women than men however)
Nationality: American
Location: Seattle, Washington ASR
Religion: Trinitarian
Occupation: High School Student
Political Affiliation: Liberation Communist Party
Favorite AH.com work: Ring of Fire series by Eric Flint
Other hobbies: Tabletop RPGs, reading, Arguing with Assholes online, Watching Anime, Medieval, theological and Early Modern History, Singing, Grand Strategy games, Social History in general, coming up with insulting names for people he doesn't like
Likes: Musicals, Power Metal, Rock, Paradox Interactive Games, Code Geass, Anime in general, cats, The Eastern Roman Empire, Theology, Touhou, Arguing with assholes, Friendly trolling, Touhou shipping, Talking about Touhou with AnxietyWithCucumbers, Interacting with friends, shipping in general, Trotsky, World Revolution, UASR and Communism in general, Fantasy, ASOIAF, LOTR, coming up with insulting names for people he doesn't like
Dislikes: Cyber Doctor, Capitalism, Liberalism, Cyber Doctor, assholes who claim he's less of a Marxist because he believes in a god, Stalinists, Cyber Doctor, The FBU, the Far Right, Fascists, Nazis, Neo-Nazis, Racists, Misogynists, Bigots of all stripes, The Great Man view of History and did I mention Cyber Doctor
Favorite Quote: The senselessness of this war against democracy is a fitting end for the bourgeois epoch. Amidst America's stupendous wealth there is also stupendous poverty. Our industry, the great machinery of abundance has left us in want. - Upton Sinclair
Demeanor- Polite and slightly snarky when interacting with friends, headstrong, vicious and aggressive when interacting with something he doesn't like
AH.com works- N/A

Well here's my character sheet for Religious_Commie, who as I stated is rather like me if I lost the majority of my restraint on the internet.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

You know, that's one of the things that I always had a hard time understanding in the Reds verse. Polyamory? Acceptable. Free Love? I'd be surprised if it wasn't in a socialist society. Bi/Pansexuality replacing Straight as the norm? That's a bit far fetched, in my mind.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I'd imagine that my character, Religious_Commie may be one of the extremists you would dislike. As seen in the posts here, he has a tendency to insult the opposition on this thread as soon as he entered the thread and as seen in his Code Geass thread used it as a way to take pot shots at the FBU. He also used the tendency in the FBU for movie franchises as a way to take a pot shot at the capitalist system.

As I imagine him as someone who can be nice and polite, especially with his friends, but when he is dealing with something he dislikes is not willing to let the sleeping dogs lie and thus go off and challenge it. Which is especially problematic online as it would, as shown here, get him incredibly tied to the argument.

Also at some point I'm planning for him to post something about how it was a mistake to give the Truman Plan to Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe as it allowed the capitalists to regain control of the situation and state that the radicals had the right idea of not being willing to financially support the FBU. I don't know when though.

Anyway I think I'm going to make his character sheet now

Name: Religious_Commie
Age:18
Gender: Male
Sexuality: Bisexual (Is more sexually attracted to women than men however)
Nationality: American
Location: Seattle, Washington ASR
Religion: Trinitarian
Occupation: High School Student
Political Affiliation: Liberation Communist Party
Favorite AH.com work: Ring of Fire series by Eric Flint
Other hobbies: Tabletop RPGs, reading, Arguing with Assholes online, Watching Anime, Medieval, theological and Early Modern History, Grand Strategy games, Social History in general, coming up with insulting names for people he doesn't like
Likes: Paradox Interactive Games, Code Geass, Anime in general, cats, The Eastern Roman Empire, Theology, Touhou, Arguing with assholes, Friendly trolling, Touhou shipping, Talking about Touhou with AnxietyWithCucumbers, shipping in general, Trotsky, World Revolution, UASR and Communism in general, Fantasy, ASOIAF, LOTR, coming up with insulting names for people he doesn't like
Dislikes: Cyber Doctor, Capitalism, Liberalism, Cyber Doctor, assholes who claim he's less of a Marxist because he believes in a god, Stalinists, Cyber Doctor, The FBU, the Far Right, Fascists, Nazis, Neo-Nazis, Racists, Misogynists, Bigots of all stripes, The Great Man view of History and did I mention Cyber Doctor
Favorite Quote: The senselessness of this war against democracy is a fitting end for the bourgeois epoch. Amidst America's stupendous wealth there is also stupendous poverty. Our industry, the great machinery of abundance has left us in want. - Upton Sinclair
Demeanor- Polite and slightly snarky when interacting with friends, headstrong, vicious and aggressive when interacting with something he doesn't like
AH.com works- N/A

Well here's my character sheet for Religious_Commie, who as I stated is rather like me if I lost the majority of my restraint on the internet.

But are we friends in the Reds Verse? That is the big question.

 

[Derekc2]

But are we friends in the Reds Verse? That is the big question.

Well he certainly wouldn't dislike you as he would ITTL respect someone who fights for the World Revolution and in OTL I honestly respect the individual solder even if I believe the institution they are part of is awful. So perhaps, would your character be ok with dealing with a guy who is prone to charging into an argument and adding some more oil onto it as he argues in the chat section?

 

[Miss Teri]

A problem I have with all of our self-inserts and author avatars is that they feel too self-inserty. Like everyone's making themselves and their friends in the Reds!-verse but the changes are all only cosmetic and it feels like we're just projecting our current values onto TTL people with only a few changes here and there to fit the style/mood (like religions, parties, AH works, etc.) A big piece of this is that I feel like most of the American characters are all characters who are described as relatively conservative (given that most people here would probably be fairly conservative [at least socially] by TTL American standards), and this degree of representation feels really odd to me, it somehow rings untrue. A lot of straight people for a society with polyamory, free love, and where bi-/pansexuality has been described as the norm, at least among the younger generations (or even the middle-aged by this point ITTL).

That's what I've kind of noticed. I mean, I only use one real author avatar in the strictest sense, and that's Kalki. Even then, it's not a perfect match (I am much younger, and I'm an American, though born to Indian immigrants.) Most of my other users are not really based on anyone else. I do put little bits and pieces of my interests and views into the characters. I suppose it's a "write-what-you-know" sort of situation, and it is just fun to imagine how you may have turned out in this world. It doesn't bother me, it's just something I've noticed.

Though, this last part is a bit off for me. Yes, bi-/pansexuality will be accepted as a regular thing, but I don't know it will be considered the "norm". Maybe it's my regressive social views speaking. Oh, well. I'm working on a rather dark piece, so be warned for my next post.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Well he certainly wouldn't dislike you as he would ITTL respect someone who fights for the World Revolution and in OTL I honestly respect the individual solder even if I believe the institution they are part of is awful. So perhaps, would your character be ok with dealing with a guy who is prone to charging into an argument and adding some more oil onto it as he argues in the chat section?

I think he'd welcome it. My character kinda likes watching crazy situations go down.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

That's what I've kind of noticed. I mean, I only use one real author avatar in the strictest sense, and that's Kalki. Even then, it's not a perfect match (I am much younger, and I'm an American, though born to Indian immigrants.) Most of my other users are not really based on anyone else. I do put little bits and pieces of my interests and views into the characters. I suppose it's a "write-what-you-know" sort of situation, and it is just fun to imagine how you may have turned out in this world. It doesn't bother me, it's just something I've noticed.

Though, this last part is a bit off for me. Yes, bi-/pansexuality will be accepted as a regular thing, but I don't know it will be considered the "norm". Maybe it's my regressive social views speaking. Oh, well. I'm working on a rather dark piece, so be warned for my next post.

I agree. I think that American society would be alien to us in the sense of what it freely accepts and what it is like living in, but I don't think Bi/Pansexuality would replace Heterosexuality as the norm. That just doesn't make sense biologically to me.

 

[bookmark95]

I'd imagine that my character, Religious_Commie may be one of the extremists you would dislike. As seen in the posts here, he has a tendency to insult the opposition on this thread as soon as he entered the thread and as seen in his Code Geass thread used it as a way to take pot shots at the FBU. He also used the tendency in the FBU for movie franchises as a way to take a pot shot at the capitalist system.

As I imagine him as someone who can be nice and polite, especially with his friends, but when he is dealing with something he dislikes is not willing to let the sleeping dogs lie and thus go off and challenge it. Which is especially problematic online as it would, as shown here, get him incredibly tied to the argument.

Also at some point I'm planning for him to post something about how it was a mistake to give the Truman Plan to Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe as it allowed the capitalists to regain control of the situation and state that the radicals had the right idea of not being willing to financially support the FBU. I don't know when though.

Well, again, does your character say nasty things to only objectively nasty people, or can his blood boil and he can consider my character an "evil bourgeois coward", even when ol' UpNorth hasn't said anything cruel.

My character can deal with an argument based on historical fact. And he can deal with mean-spirited trolls in a passive aggressive way.

If Religious Commie and UpNorth interacted in public, would your former act like angry elitist because of my character's skepticism about the UASR?

Speaking of which, I would love if your character and my character debated the Truman Plan, because there are so many things you could argue.

 

[BlahBlahBlah]

I think it cpgot changed back to the LCP. I'm not to sure though.

As for the American characters, simply because the UASR has free love and polyamory doesn't mean that everyone is into it. I mean, my character, for example, votes Liberation because he has a large anti-authoritarian streak, not because he wants to fuck as he pleases.

Besides, the whole point of these Alt-AH posters is that it's about imagining who YOU would be in the Reds world. If someone feels that they would be into that kind of stuff like polyamory and Free love, they can post that on their character.

I know that not everyone has to be into polyamory/free love etc. just because it's a common-ish thing; I'm saying that to my eyes something that's given such prominence in UASR culture seems oddly lacking in our characters (but maybe it's just a prominent minor thing that stands out but isn't actually all too common). It's probably my perspective too, not being straight or male or anything, I'm wondering why in a society where not being straight is normal they'd be relatively not-present on AH.com. But of course, I get that we write what we know, so it's more down to that; and I might possibly be selecting to only notice what I notice, and miss all the non-straight characters.

Even more importantly, it doesn't seem like it would have too much of an impact on discussion, so usually it just wouldn't come up.

You know, that's one of the things that I always had a hard time understanding in the Reds verse. Polyamory? Acceptable. Free Love? I'd be surprised if it wasn't in a socialist society. Bi/Pansexuality replacing Straight as the norm? That's a bit far fetched, in my mind.

I agree. I think that American society would be alien to us in the sense of what it freely accepts and what it is like living in, but I don't think Bi/Pansexuality would replace Heterosexuality as the norm. That just doesn't make sense biologically to me.

I remember that somewhere in the main thread it was posited that in the UASR the ways things have gone by now was that most people by this point are just assumed to be bi/pan, and that by habit they'll settle into something more predominantly straight or gay as they aged. Plus, it's not like bi-/pansexuality doesn't mean you can't be in a heterosexual relationship or produce children from them.

Sort of related, I think most of these terms post-date the POD, should they still even exist?

 

[Derekc2]

I think he'd welcome it. My character kinda likes watching crazy situations go down.

Ok, so I imagine then that we are friends ITTL out of a camraderiy formed from arguments against the Far Right.

Well, again, does your character say nasty things to only objectively nasty people, or can his blood boil and he can consider my character an "evil bourgeois coward", even when ol' UpNorth hasn't said anything cruel.

My character can deal with an argument based on historical fact. And he can deal with mean-spirited trolls in a passive aggressive way.

If Religious Commie and UpNorth interacted in public, would your former act like angry elitist because of my character's skepticism about the UASR?

Speaking of which, I would love if your character and my character debated the Truman Plan, because there are so many things you could argue.

I'd imagine that when he's already pretty pissed off like on this thread he could get rather snappy at your character and when he's not he'd be a bit more mean spirited with his sarcasm when he's arguing with you but I'd imagine he wouldn't usually go out of his way to attack you, the most he'd do to go out of his way to challenge you is on a thread like the one we've been following he'd make a snide comment your way. Though he does view your position as strange and not based by the fact that socialism is better for the well being of all than capitalism and finds your weird dislike of the UASR especially strange and even a bit offputting.

I'm also interested in seeing our characters debating the Truman Plan and it's benefits and disadvantages.

AH.com Thread: Women in American Society

Well Deleon when I saw the Nazi Fuckwad I couldn't help but join the "Fuck you Nazi" parade since I was already here anyway. Glad to be of help with dealing with Nazi scum by the way.

Also need I remind you UpNorth, attacking Cyber Doctor is always justified.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

Hello folks, I've finished uploading my World at War video for the day. Oh yes you better believe it was a KV-2 rampage.

Now let me take a look here.

Oh my this is /quite/ the Dumpster fire. Allow me to have a look through to see who needs infraction points.

Now I'm going to have to say this immediately, people on all sides of the political aisle here are going to be getting double shifts in the salt mines. I would advise you strongly not to make things worse.

Salt mines?

A Euphemism for being kicked from the forum. A "shift" means a one week temporary ban, thus a double shift means two weeks leave from our community.

 

[Derekc2]

Oh this is going to be fun to see who gets kicked here on this thread ITTL.