Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread III

The school may decide not punish Anna, but that doesn’t preclude the school from contacting Tilo and Nancy on a “Family Matter “ and tell them how Anna is going around saying that Gretchen’s middle name is “Dogshit”.
One of the many birthday greetings that Gretchen should have received is one from her Godparents, the Emperor and Empress of Korea, who personally gave Gretchen her middle name that holds great historical significance in Korea.
She would also, IMHO, get greetings from some other personages:
1. Kaiser and Kaiserin of Germany , Freddy and Suga
2. K. and Kn of Germany(emeritus), Louis and Charlotte
3. The Emperor of Japan and Empress of Japan
4. The Grand Duchess Gia of Russia
5. The KIng and Queen of Bohemia
6 The King and Queen of Bavaria
7. The Queen and Consort of Galicia-Ruthenia
8. The Tigress of Pankow
9. The King and Queen of Silesia
10. High ranking members of the Military.

Anyone I left out?
 
Part 152, Chapter 2776
Chapter Two Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-Six



9th June 1979

Halifax, Nova Scotia

Marie Alexandra knew that she was borrowing trouble by coming here. Still, after months of living with Jackie she felt obligated to come here to help sound things out. That and she had reached the conclusion that Jack Kennedy deserved a severe beating before she had boarded the plane from Dublin to Montreal. He must have known exactly what he had been doing, having his daughter living with her while they were both attending University. There had been a few young men who had come sniffing around, clearly with the hope that it wouldn’t be too difficult to convince nineteen-year-old Jackie to naively make a few profound lapses in judgement. In their defense, Marie had found that Jackie had thought that they were interested in her personally as opposed to what had really been going on. That much was evidenced by how fast most of them had grown bored with Jackie and had turned their attention to Marie the instant they learned that she was from Germany.

The trouble for Marie was that it had all been spelled out in the files that Jack had given her. All the cases that didn’t involve rape seemed to follow the same depressing pattern. Men sweet talking them into bed only to walk away leaving them to deal with the consequences alone. Marie understood that she wasn’t immune to that sort of flattery herself, but her own social anxiety and experiences had proven to be a defense against that sort of thing. Getting abducted, held hostage at gunpoint as a child, and watching a woman who was basically her big sister get clubbed down in the street sort of made understanding people’s motives extremely important to her. Jack must have known that Marie would see herself, her mother, Jackie and any one of dozens of women she had known in those files when he had given them to her. It was the reason why she had ultimately given the files back. She had come to loath the people, mostly men, who had taken advantage of those women and then opportunistically did it again and again. Marie had found herself starting to agree with her mother’s penchant towards brutality when dealing with certain people.

That wasn’t who Marie wanted to be.

Then Jackie moved in and Marie had seen firsthand why her mother had never been able to avoid getting involved. Jack must have known what would happen because he had not been surprised when she had told him that she was going to Nova Scotia when she should have been on going home for the holiday.

At least the woman Marie was here to visit lived in Halifax as opposed to somewhere further afield. She had never learned to drive having always lived in this or that city center. A bicycle had always been sufficient to get her where she needed to go if transit was unavailable. Nova Scotia was a long way from the Montreal neighborhoods that Marie had lived in. The bus had dropped Marie off on a street that faced the harbor and the house she was looking for was a couple blocks up the hill.

It was a simple house like the others that surrounded it. A low chain-link fence enclosed the small yard that separated it from the street that had a half-hearted attempt at a vegetable garden that had been taken over by weeds in it. The mailbox had the name Campbell stenciled on the side , suggesting that Marie had found the right address. Two dogs that looked like they were the result of generations of random selection started barking at her as a she debated what to do next.

“SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU TWO!” A big man said walking out from the garage that was behind the house before focusing on Marie. “What do you want?” He demanded. His hair and beard must have once been dark but had gone completely grey, he was also red-faced and she could see how bloodshot his eyes were. Marie could smell the beer on his breath from more than a meter away.

“I am looking for Sibéal O’Keefe” Marie said, mustering her courage to do so. She had come a long way to ask Sibéal’s permission before she clawed open old wounds. It was something that she doubted that Jack could have been bothered to do.

“We don’t need any of the trouble that your sort bring” The man growled at her. “Trying to get my wife to answer stupid questions so that you make a name for yourself.”

“Who do you think I am?” Marie asked.

“You’re from the newspapers” The man said, “Right?”

“No” Marie replied, “I’m a Law Student from Trinity College in Dublin working as an Investigator for John Kennedy.”

The man just staired at Marie like if she had grown a second head.

“A Senior Partner at Mallon, McGill, and Ó Doirnáin Solicitors” Marie finished and then thinking quickly she asked, “Are you Henry Campbell?”

“Aye” The man, Henry replied, “You still haven’t said what you want though.”

To help Jack blow apart Irish Society by finishing a battle that he had started decades earlier, Marie thought to herself but didn’t say aloud.

It was then that Marie saw a woman leave the house, pushing a screen door out of her way.

“The Doctor said no more drinking Hank” The woman said sharply in a language that Marie understood perfectly but had rarely heard outside of Ireland. “You act like a complete bastard when you you’ve had a few anyway and hiding your beer in the garage won’t change that. Now, who is this girl?”

Henry, or Hank, Marie corrected. He really did look more like a Hank and the formal Henry didn’t suit him at all. He gave the woman, presumably Sibéal, a guilty look.

“I am Marie Alexandra Blackwood” Marie said, “I am here representing John Kennedy in the matter of…”

“Has it really been so long?” Sibéal asked, a touch annoyed that Marie had understood what she had said, as she opened the gate. “You might as well come in.”

As Marie stepped through, she had the dogs sniffing at her feet as Hank muttered something to Sibéal.

“She’s our guest” Sibéal said, “Her mother was the one who broke me out of the Kilmainham Gaol. Not too many in Ireland were sorry to see the damage Kat Mischner did to place with the fire she set either.”
 
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And with that, the timer begins ticking. The Church and Irish Society will be wishing that Kennedy and the von Mischner-Blackwoods had used a nuke on them when the fallout finally settles.
 
Glad to see that Marie is beginning to understand that the law can be used to help those who have been hurt by powerful people and institutions.

Marie is also beginning to develop the same protective side of her that her mother has, and more importantly the beginning of expanding the definition of who is family by protecting Jackie as if Marie is Jackie's older sister or cousin.

Marie is also understanding that Jack being a ruthless lawyer is necessary for him in being her mother Kat's legal advisor, and it is that quality along side with loyalty and honesty that Marie is going to be looking for in finding a successor for Jack as the family's chief legal advocate.
 
Marie is also understanding that Jack being a ruthless lawyer is necessary for him in being her mother Kat's legal advisor, and it is that quality along side with loyalty and honesty that Marie is going to be looking for in finding a successor for Jack as the family's chief legal advocate.
And with her having a Law Degree and a background in what that entails for the family means she knows she needs "Outside Counsel".
 
Part 153, Chapter 2777
Chapter Two Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-Seven



10th June 1979

Halifax, Nova Scotia

Marie had slept in the guest room of the Campbells the night before and because she had promised them that she would stick around for Sunday dinner, she would probably stay there again tonight. The room itself wasn’t that bad with Hank referring to it as the “girl’s room” from when it had been shared by their daughters years earlier while their youngest, a son named Brian had a room of his own that he still lived in. There was an older boy, Sibéal’s stepson who had moved to Toronto years earlier who they didn’t see much of, while the adult daughters had places of their own these days. The girl’s room was filled with the items needed for the various side businesses that Sibéal had going. While Marie had not been planning on staying here for a few days, that had given her a chance to discuss matters at length with Sibéal though and the course of action that they would need to take in the weeks and months ahead.

Sibéal said that she would think about what Marie had told her.

Marie supposed that was a good thing. Sibéal had left Ireland and had never looked back. After a few years of working for Marie’s grandparents she had met Hank Campbell, a widower who had been working on the freighters in the Great Lakes and had gone with him to start anew in Nova Scotia. She apparently saw the life she had built for herself was a good one. The night before, Sibéal had told her all about her two stepchildren as well as the thee of her own. How Hank had been badly injured on the job a couple years earlier and that had not been as hard a blow as it might have been because of the business ventures she was involved in with her daughters. Still, looking around the house at the worn furniture, stained carpet and wallpaper Marie could see that Sibéal could use the money that that would come if Jack’s efforts were successful. The rub was that Sibéal would need to return to Ireland. Jack had said that the charges that she had faced years earlier, attempted murder and creating a public disturbance among other things, wouldn’t be a factor after so long. Sibéal wasn’t so certain though, holding grudges was just something that the Irish seemed to take pride in doing.

Jack’s idea that the Catholic Church in Ireland owed Sibéal and those like her compensation for unpaid labor that had been in direct violation of the Irish Labor Act of 1920. It was a law that the Church had been violating with impunity for decades. The thing was that at Jack’s direction, Marie had been researching if there was any basis in Law for that had had been unable to find any evidence. It seemed that it was cultural, with the Church relying on its traditional place in Irish Society to keep anyone from challenging its practices. When Jack had first challenged the prerogatives of the Church that might have worked, now it was coming at the end of three decades of various scandals.

At the moment, Marie could hear Hank and Brian watching some sort of sporting event on television. From what she had observed Brian was cut from the same cloth as his father, a tough man who made his living working on the fishing boats on the North Atlantic. Apparently, this was how they spent Sunday afternoons if Brian was in Halifax. Per Doctor’s orders Hank was supposed to avoid alcohol and certain foods, but often cheated with they help of his son who had snuck a six-pack of beer into house today. Marie was not interested in any of that. Instead she was in the hallway looking at the photographs. Her mother did the same thing and there was a good chance that Sibéal had copied the practice of organizing them in chronological order. Marie could see years of Christmases, graduations, and other important milestones, others were of events that meant something to the family but Marie didn’t know the context. Finally by the front door there was a photograph of a much younger Hank and Sibéal on what must have been their wedding day. Hank was wearing a poorly tailored suit and Sibéal was wearing what must have been her best dress, the only difference a normal Sunday was the flowers she had in her hair. It looked exactly like many other Working-Class weddings Marie had seen. Not everyone could afford a fancy dress and a big reception. When it came right down to it, those things were not really necessary. Below it though was a hand drawn picture of a baby in its mother’s arms. Marie presumed that this was the son had died as the result of neglect, whose disappearance had started a chain of events that had ended with Sibéal’s arrest and exile to Canada.

“That is all I have of him” Sibéal said, startling Marie who had not heard her approach. “And even that I had to do from memory years later. I can only pray that I got the details right.”

“Your son?” Marie asked, “Aiden?”

“I know that it is silly” Sibéal replied.

“Not at all” Marie said.

“I sometimes fancy what Aiden would be like” Sibéal said, “How he’d get on with his brothers and sisters, what he’d be doing. He’d a been thirty-four last winter, if you’d believe that.”

Marie just smiled in reply to that. So much had been taken from Sibéal that the compensation from any judgement that Jack got would only be a drop in the bucket.
 
Jack Kennedy is going to go down in Irish History as the Iconoclast that tore down the Irish Church at this rate.

Heh! I wonder if any papal hotheads will start believing their own hype and think they can "act"?
 
Will Kat provide any support for JFK and Maria, given her background with this, both material and moral support? Also what does JFK "Friends" from when he was in the Army have to say about this, they could be some help also?
 
Marie who was skeptical at first about this project and questioned Jack’s motives, is now fully committed to this case as it triggers the same instincts for justice that her mother has.
The fact that this case basically started with Jack asking for Kat’s help with Sibéal and kicked over the proverbial hornets nest is more than enough for Marie to put her Heart and Soul into this, and as added bonus, Marie might find the successor for Jack to handle the family’s legal affairs after Jack retires.
 
There are a few here who know that as messed up as that was, it was just a tremor of the sort when a train goes by. Now there is an earthquake coming and Marie's trip to Halifax is what started the clock running towards H-Hour.
Eyup.

Considering I can honestly say that Sibéal's story previous to Mischner involvement is one of the better outcomes of that institution, should give a nice idea of how fucking rotten the whole damned thing was. The only reason Ireland didn't start burning down churches at the revelations was the fact that deference to the Church had been allowed to fester for a very long time, and even then it came close after the discovery at Tuam.

The thing is though, this is probably going to be an Irish story at the end of it, and no matter what Jack manages to get in court the Institutions of Ireland are far far too deep in all this for anything major to happen. At best, they might get damages awarded, but with no way to actually recover them as the Gardai will not become involved in a Civil matter (which this is) and any extra-judicial attempts will get tied up in courts for decades. Naturally the angle to go with from there is to try and sue the Government to compel the Church to pay, but without an EU Court of Human Rights, there is no way for an individual citizen in Ireland to do that and win. And even if they could win, to pull something like that off, the State would need to take possession of all Church assets in Ireland which would have as much chance of happening as the sun rising in the West, more likely it would, as in real life, make a deal that the Church will then renege on and escape consequences from.

And as well as everything else, you have to consider this is the Church of the old school still. Vatican 2 (unless I missed it) didn't happen TTL, John Paul II doesn't exist in such a way and as such any opening of the Church has not happened. It is still the monolith that delivers mass in Latin and expects that its followers understand that it, and only it, can serve as the messenger of God on this planet.

Like, I can respect what Jack and Marie are doing, and I can say that Jack probably has a airtight case on this, but no matter what he has, without a higher authority to compel the Irish state to act against itself, or for the Church to have a change of heart and actual practice what it preaches, this is going to be a lot of heartache for little gain or progress.
 
Eyup.

Considering I can honestly say that Sibéal's story previous to Mischner involvement is one of the better outcomes of that institution, should give a nice idea of how fucking rotten the whole damned thing was. The only reason Ireland didn't start burning down churches at the revelations was the fact that deference to the Church had been allowed to fester for a very long time, and even then it came close after the discovery at Tuam.

The thing is though, this is probably going to be an Irish story at the end of it, and no matter what Jack manages to get in court the Institutions of Ireland are far far too deep in all this for anything major to happen. At best, they might get damages awarded, but with no way to actually recover them as the Gardai will not become involved in a Civil matter (which this is) and any extra-judicial attempts will get tied up in courts for decades. Naturally the angle to go with from there is to try and sue the Government to compel the Church to pay, but without an EU Court of Human Rights, there is no way for an individual citizen in Ireland to do that and win. And even if they could win, to pull something like that off, the State would need to take possession of all Church assets in Ireland which would have as much chance of happening as the sun rising in the West, more likely it would, as in real life, make a deal that the Church will then renege on and escape consequences from.

And as well as everything else, you have to consider this is the Church of the old school still. Vatican 2 (unless I missed it) didn't happen TTL, John Paul II doesn't exist in such a way and as such any opening of the Church has not happened. It is still the monolith that delivers mass in Latin and expects that its followers understand that it, and only it, can serve as the messenger of God on this planet.

Like, I can respect what Jack and Marie are doing, and I can say that Jack probably has a airtight case on this, but no matter what he has, without a higher authority to compel the Irish state to act against itself, or for the Church to have a change of heart and actual practice what it preaches, this is going to be a lot of heartache for little gain or progress.
Agreed entirely.

That said, the more publicity that the case generates means the more public awareness there'll be, especially after his previous work in this area. And at the end of the day, even if they can't get the Church or the current Government to change, it'll get Ireland itself to change more.
 
Agreed entirely.

That said, the more publicity that the case generates means the more public awareness there'll be, especially after his previous work in this area. And at the end of the day, even if they can't get the Church or the current Government to change, it'll get Ireland itself to change more.
I seem to remember that the LoN is still a thing in this TL. Or at least it was for a longer time. So could they try to grab the extra national jurisdiction on that?

How successful and all that I let our great and productive wordsmith decide.
 
Agreed entirely.

That said, the more publicity that the case generates means the more public awareness there'll be, especially after his previous work in this area. And at the end of the day, even if they can't get the Church or the current Government to change, it'll get Ireland itself to change more.
Maybe, I mean it would be hard for this Ireland to be the same one our parents or grandparents knew. No Troubles (or at least to a much lesser extent) to shadow over everything, but no common travel area with the UK either so migration to the UK would have been more difficult. Belfast and Derry are part of a unified island, but it's been shown that a lot of the same urban decay problems still happened, and I'd shudder to think how bad things would be in Dublin, Limerick and Cork with even less funding to go around. The only constant appears to be the government essentially being corrupt (though not to the levels of Haughey, or the even more insane levels of Bertie), as many social services as possible being offloaded on the Church, and if I had to guess that the dole and visa lines being longer than the employment ones.

It's a version of the Ireland we have thankfully moved past, but who's specter is constantly there, waiting off stage to come back and influencing where it can. But short of the EU coming about in a big way (though I doubt Ireland would be blocked from entry this time around by a certain Frenchman) it will be the version of Ireland that is there.
I seem to remember that the LoN is still a thing in this TL. Or at least it was for a longer time. So could they try to grab the extra national jurisdiction on that?
States tend not to like to give up absolute sovereignty on anything without one hell of an incentive to do so.
How successful and all that I let our great and productive wordsmith decide.
Oh sure, PM could probably find a way, but short of alien invasion I ain't seeing it.
 
States tend not to like to give up absolute sovereignty on anything without one hell of an incentive to do so.

Oh sure, PM could probably find a way, but short of alien invasion I ain't seeing it.
I am not versed in the rules / laws of Ireland in that regard. But my thinking was, that should the Church / Vatican block the lawful orders, then Kennedy could call the LoN for arbitration. How they would react to that... well...
 
I am not versed in the rules / laws of Ireland in that regard. But my thinking was, that should the Church / Vatican block the lawful orders, then Kennedy could call the LoN for arbitration. How they would react to that... well...
Well that would require that the LoN have means to compel a nation on domestic law issues, which would be something that would cause most nations to run screaming away from it at top speed.

The reason I mention the EU, is that in the situation with the EU Ireland willingly signed up to methods to allow it to be compelled by a higher power to act in certain ways or face consequences (funding cut off and fines). Like if somehow Jack Kennedy knew the TTL EU was coming down the pipeline with a full court of Human Rights attached (which he could know about as such an organization has been in the works for a while now and I'd guess nearly ready to take off) his entire strategy could be to get the court judgment in now and then once the case has quieted down and Ireland has joined such an institution, bring a case then as Ireland won't be able to back out of the organization without serious costs. It would be playing the long game, but it's hardly an improbable one.

-edit- But that still leaves the issue of needing a government willing to play hardball with the Church with regards to assets and the value thereof, and there are very few ways I can see that happening without having the whole story picture that exists in PM's mind.
 
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Well that would require that the LoN have means to compel a nation on domestic law issues, which would be something that would cause most nations to run screaming away from it at top speed.
Would the LoN need to compel the two sides? Imo it could be trying to bring the two sides together and find a solution. Not rule it on one way or the other. They may try to assume that role if they get the taste for it... but I have not seen enough of the LoN to say one way or the other.
Maybe my first thought "extra national jurisdiction" was poorly worded. More in the line of a neutral council that gives advise.

he reason I mention the EU, is that in the situation with the EU Ireland willingly signed up to methods to allow it to be compelled by a higher power to act in certain ways or face consequences (funding cut off and fines). Like if somehow Jack Kennedy knew the TTL EU was coming down the pipeline with a full court of Human Rights attached (which he could know about as such an organization has been in the works for a while now and I'd guess nearly ready to take off) his entire strategy could be to get the court judgment in now and then once the case has quieted down and Ireland has joined such an institution, bring a case then as Ireland won't be able to back out of the organization without serious costs. It would be playing the long game, but it's hardly an improbable one.

-edit- But that still leaves the issue of needing a government willing to play hardball with the Church with regards to assets and the value thereof, and there are very few ways I can see that happening without having the whole story picture that exists in PM's mind.
Interesting thought that we could be at the start of a "Greater European Comunity" that creates a framework for international cooperation and arbitartion. At least in Europe. Could have something to do with how Russia as reasserting its positon in TL.
 
Would the LoN need to compel the two sides? Imo it could be trying to bring the two sides together and find a solution. Not rule it on one way or the other. They may try to assume that role if they get the taste for it... but I have not seen enough of the LoN to say one way or the other.
Maybe my first thought "extra national jurisdiction" was poorly worded. More in the line of a neutral council that gives advise.
Without the power to compel, it would just be a matter of trying to make an agreement between a State and non-governmental body (The Church). The Church, by not being a nation, would fall outside the LoN responsibility I would imagine. The closest you could get would be if the Vatican is an independent City-State TTL (which, ironically enough by killing off Mussolini is not a given) and a recognized member of the LoN in its own right, and it gets brought in to represent The Church, which would raise all sorts of organizational questions within the Church to the point that you could wind up making it even harder to enforce any LoN deal.

Essentially, while the Church recognizes the Vatican as the central location of all spiritual authority (give or take a few ecumenical matters), there is great effort placed to prevent there being a single location of temporal authority. In theory the Pope is the head of the Church, he has about as much power as the King of England when it comes to the ordinary lives of his organization. The actions of a branch of a Holy Order in Ireland, while they may be regrettable, are something he ultimately has no power over. Trying to internationally foist upon the Pope (in the personage as the head of the Vatican government) such centralized temporal power would cause such a breakdown in how the Church works.
Interesting thought that we could be at the start of a "Greater European Comunity" that creates a framework for international cooperation and arbitartion. At least in Europe. Could have something to do with how Russia as reasserting its positon in TL.
Well (former) Kaiser Louis has been working on it for a while. Last thing I remember is that his in-laws are being awkward about the whole thing due to the idea that Austria needs some reason to justify its own continued existence.
 
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