The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3)

Oh ok.

But in that case I don't like it too much because shouldn't it be the people voting to elect all the councils?

I would agree. This process tends to be exactly the environment where bureaucratism thrives. Even if there is fairness in how delegates are selected by party. This only treats the mobilized masses as important in the lowest level and defeats the value as Soviets of governing bodies heavily dependent on the active participation of the masses. I don't think it breaks down on higher levels until you get to a truly national stage. Where it would be next to impossible (and at which point delegation would be necessary). Given the number of internal borders being redrawn, it wouldn't be hard to say that a republic must be restricted in population to enough so that they could sustain a more direct relationship between the people and the republic level governments.
 
So, is the Canadian/UASR border at this time in this timeline something akin to the OTL communist/capitalist boundaries, or is it a fairly peaceful and undefended border?
 
I would agree. This process tends to be exactly the environment where bureaucratism thrives. Even if there is fairness in how delegates are selected by party. This only treats the mobilized masses as important in the lowest level and defeats the value as Soviets of governing bodies heavily dependent on the active participation of the masses. I don't think it breaks down on higher levels until you get to a truly national stage. Where it would be next to impossible (and at which point delegation would be necessary). Given the number of internal borders being redrawn, it wouldn't be hard to say that a republic must be restricted in population to enough so that they could sustain a more direct relationship between the people and the republic level governments.

Yeah. I agree. Why did Jello do that though?

So, is the Canadian/UASR border at this time in this timeline something akin to the OTL communist/capitalist boundaries, or is it a fairly peaceful and undefended border?

The former. It'll get more tense during the Cold War.
 
Huh? It's that tiered? People don't elect members of the legislative assembly or executive directly, but elects members of bodies that in turn elects members to higher bodies that then in turn elects members of the Congress?

Not as many-tiered as your Chinese democracy, where I think you have five or six levels between the people and the national assembly, but... erm... seriously?
I will add that it's neither meant to be perfect nor permanent.

That said, it's a multi-party system, using guarantees of proportional representation.
 
So Canada is full of FBU military personnel, and nuclear weapons? :eek:
The non-American anglophone countries in general tend to be the most rhetorically against Communism. The American-Canadian border is pretty rife with mines and bunkers and troops from all around the empire. I'd expect Canada's demographics to change quite a lot as soldiers from say; India or elsewhere in Europe settle down and start families. In practice, America and Canada still maintain large trade relationships despite their rhetorical hostility.

Places like Australia on the other hand, don't have to moderate their tone out of fear of having an enemy right next door and are pretty rabidly anti-communist. (Australia was and is a pretty conservative place to begin with) Australia goes from seeing America as a friend to basically as much of a threat to Australia as Japan in the interwar period and I do plan on having an Australian write an alarmist novel about an American invasion of Australia in the 30s.

New Zealand on the other hand...nobody cares about what New Zealand thinks anyway :D.
 
I was the one who made that flow chart all those many years ago, and it's certainly outdated now.

Huh? It's that tiered? People don't elect members of the legislative assembly or executive directly, but elects members of bodies that in turn elects members to higher bodies that then in turn elects members of the Congress?

Not as many-tiered as your Chinese democracy, where I think you have five or six levels between the people and the national assembly, but... erm... seriously?

Well, the Fundamental Principles of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat say:
Article II

There shall never be more than three degrees of separation between the masses and the All-Union Congress of Soviets.
as a way to ward off the extreme version of this possibility.

And the basic law of the UASR simply says:
Section 3

The provincial Congresses of Soviets shall elect deputies to the All-Union Congress of Soviets according to a manner established by law.
In the post Jello_Biafra linked to earlier, we see that the 'manner established by law' for the 1934-46 period or so (up until the split in the WCP) involves:
The All-Union Congress of Soviets would form the nucleus of the new governmental system. Its deputies would be elected from various sources. Half would be elected, in proportion to population, by the state level Congresses of Soviets, with a guarantee of proportional representation of the parties. One quarter would be elected from party lists according to an All-Union popular vote using proportional representation. The remaining quarter would be allocated to All-Union civic organizations such as the Solidarity trade union federation, the Pioneer League, the Women's Liberation Union, etc.
This and the short term limits, the preservation of immediate recall, the guarantee of proportional representation, etc., are intended to stop the bureaucratization that they (and us) are worried about. See right before that:
Their own experience during the Civil War confirmed many of the criticisms of soviet government that had been voiced by anarchists, left communists and Trotskyists. The tendency was for the small gear to turn the large gear; while power was supposed to flow from the mass base organization up through the specialist deputy committees, all too often the specialist committees dominated the agenda and transformed the mass proletarian bodies into rubberstamp institutions....
The final outcome, coupled with internal reforms in the parties, hoped to arrest movements towards bureaucratic deformation. In its mature form, the government drew substantially on the insights learned from the 1924 Soviet Constitution, the Paris Commune, and the revolutionary governments of the communes and socialist republics of the American Revolution. The Committee reaffirmed earlier repudiations of "naïve constitutionalism."
Plus, like Jello said above (and we see in their linked posts), this seems to only be a temporary arrangement (and it seems like it'll change during the Cold War, and probably with the Second Cultural Revolution?, but there's a moratorium on discussing this at the moment), this method seems like it might only last until the WCP splits shortly after the war.

Plus, membership in a political party is more involved and involves more direct participation and influence from the average member ITTL than in OTL USA or USSR, and perhaps membership across the various parties is greater as well, ensuring that it might not be just the party heads choosing candidates for the lists whom the masses then simply affirm as their delegates, and that more of the population has a say in the affairs of the parties.

But still, yeah, not perfect, certainly, especially in the era of the Party-state. But it'll change.
 

E. Burke

Banned
The Party Congress elected two chief devolved organs, the Secretariat and the Politburo. The two would often overlap in membership; the Secretariat was an administrative organ which oversaw the various party institutions such as the Institute for Scientific Socialism, the Socialist Student Union, etc. The Politburo would be the steering committee for the Party Congress, and the nexus for intraparty political conflict.

whats that?
 
whats that?

I presume it would be some sort of internal organization of the party (that might evolve into a caucus) that promotes scientific socialism, which means that it might promote a more pragmatic policy for the party. At least if you accept that scientific socialism adheres to the scientific method, and that decision-making be based upon evidence.
 
whats that?
It's a higher education institution with a very specialized purpose. During the party-state period, it was established to 1) train party cadres for activism and government work and 2) conduct research in social science and political economy.

It's not as ridiculously hidebound as its OTL counterparts from the East Bloc. It's sort of like the strange mirror image of a Catholic university. It's a first rate education institution, but it is heavily focused on politics, economy, sociology, philosophy; everything else kind of ends up tacitly serving that. Post WW2, it's going to moderate a little, but it will definitely be the sort of place that only people already involved in the cause will want to go to.

It's other role is to teach foreign students, from both allied and "enemy" countries, activism, organizational methods, political administration, propaganda, etc.
 
I presume it would be some sort of internal organization of the party (that might evolve into a caucus) that promotes scientific socialism, which means that it might promote a more pragmatic policy for the party. At least if you accept that scientific socialism adheres to the scientific method, and that decision-making be based upon evidence.

Scientific socialism was a common name for orthodox Marxist socialism, so it could well end up being a Labor Communist Alligned think tank.
 
It's a higher education institution with a very specialized purpose. During the party-state period, it was established to 1) train party cadres for activism and government work and 2) conduct research in social science and political economy.

It's not as ridiculously hidebound as its OTL counterparts from the East Bloc. It's sort of like the strange mirror image of a Catholic university. It's a first rate education institution, but it is heavily focused on politics, economy, sociology, philosophy; everything else kind of ends up tacitly serving that. Post WW2, it's going to moderate a little, but it will definitely be the sort of place that only people already involved in the cause will want to go to.

It's other role is to teach foreign students, from both allied and "enemy" countries, activism, organizational methods, political administration, propaganda, etc.

Is it an institution with branches across the nation, or just one institute in a single city.
 
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