Honestly, this leaves either Sin-Cong/Siancong or Madripoor then. Sin-Cong would be too much like Vietnam for it to work really well. Like, it'd be a bit too obvious and it might kinda make it harder to make it be taken seriously. Madripoor meanwhile works better and could stand as this sort of counterpart to Hong Kong and Singapore. Heck, would work well being this secret base of operations that would allow the Ten Rings to function as a global syndicate and wanting to go after Tony's weapons!
WI: Pop Culture in a world without 9/11?
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Honestly, this leaves either Sin-Cong/Siancong or Madripoor then. Sin-Cong would be too much like Vietnam for it to work really well. Like, it'd be a bit too obvious and it might kinda make it harder to make it be taken seriously. Madripoor meanwhile works better and could stand as this sort of counterpart to Hong Kong and Singapore. Heck, would work well being this secret base of operations that would allow the Ten Rings to function as a global syndicate and wanting to go after Tony's weapons!
i would've mentioned Siancong, but i'm not sure it was even a thing in any of the comics at the time (for those unaware, "the Siancong War" is how Marvel eventually reconciled the 'Nam-era origins of alot of their characters with the floating timeline of the main continuity) and i couldn't think of any Middle Eastern ones off the top of my head, whereas for DC Comics i can immediately name Bialya and Qurac. the one other good option in my mind, Genosha, might've been off-limits since it's intrinsically linked to the X-Men, which Marvel Studios wouldn't have had the film rights to at the time, and Latveria is absolutely NOT a good fit for that kind of story.
I think Siancong was first mentioned in like the 1960s, so we're good there. Meanwhile, the thread does say without 9/11, so Middle East doesn't get as big a focus. That said, I'd say Madripor would work, or at least a counterpart of it given its association with the mutants by disqualify it.
I've said this before but this video explains it better than me. 9/11 killed the Dino Crisis franchise. Instead of city attacked by dinosaurs, Dino Crisis 3 was abruptly changed to a spaceship setting because ruined buildings still evoked memories of the terrorist attacks.
The video also briefly explains what forms of pop-culture were affected following the attacks.
And what broader ramifications would this have had for gaming as a whole? Would we have seen more city destroying games?
It killed the franchise for one thing. Capcom went for Dino Stalker instead, a spin-off for Dino Crisis in a first-person shoot light-gun style that was released for the PS2. The game didn't sell well either but it has recently had more following now that dinosaur fans long for a Jurassic Park or a dinosaur shooter or survival game.
And to answer your question, any part of games involving the destruction of a city by a hostile force or hijackings were removed from games and films.
We would not have city-destroying games in the years after 9/11 up until Rampage: Total Destruction was released.
Also mgs2 cutscenes were modified because that,as the setting was NYC Manhattan.
Red Alert 2 also had a Soviet mission set in New York and I remember the WTC was taken out because 9/11 just happened.
Remember that Boxart https://www.moddb.com/groups/c-c-paradise/images/rare-pre-9-11-red-alert-2-box-art-flip-cover-image Pre 9/11 you know that CD-ROM Boxart on Red Alert 2 been kinda harsher in a hindsight.
Indeed.
Although we would have another game set in an alternate New York where the Soviets invaded the city called Freedom Fighters (2003).
Then in 2008, Red Alert 3 would have the Soviet campaign destroying the Statue of Liberty (just like in Red Alert 2) and replacing it with Vladimir Lenin. New York is renamed as Commandergrad for some odd reason. The same year would have Cloverfield destroying New York from the perspective of 20-somethings.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 would then feature a Russian invasion of New York. By then, New York being destroyed on screen became acceptable to the public.
theres possibly another character that may not exist without 9/11
and that is kuromi
like with shadow the hedgehog and modern jak, antihero characters are not as popular ITTL as IOTL (epsecially with the females)
i dont really see the purpose of creating a character like kuromi in a no 9/11 world (epecially with sanrio mainly being a sweet and wholesome brand and kuromi essentially being shadow for girls ITTL)
its like if disney tried to make an edgy disney princess movie or hasbro making an edgy mlp or care bears character or even if they made a transformers or tmnt character thats cute
a character like kuromi would feel a bit out of place ITTL among the other sanrio characters
this may or may not affect the development of aggretsuko as well
(aggretsuko may still exist but would focus more on the modern american yuppie culture alongside japanese salarymen rather than just salarymen, maybe aggretsuko is a raver or a rapper instead of into death metal and may also dress like a femboy idk)
and that is kuromi
like with shadow the hedgehog and modern jak, antihero characters are not as popular ITTL as IOTL (epsecially with the females)
i dont really see the purpose of creating a character like kuromi in a no 9/11 world (epecially with sanrio mainly being a sweet and wholesome brand and kuromi essentially being shadow for girls ITTL)
its like if disney tried to make an edgy disney princess movie or hasbro making an edgy mlp or care bears character or even if they made a transformers or tmnt character thats cute
a character like kuromi would feel a bit out of place ITTL among the other sanrio characters
this may or may not affect the development of aggretsuko as well
(aggretsuko may still exist but would focus more on the modern american yuppie culture alongside japanese salarymen rather than just salarymen, maybe aggretsuko is a raver or a rapper instead of into death metal and may also dress like a femboy idk)
I don't really buy into the theory that antihero characters would be less popular. The 90s saw such a massive explosion of anti-heroes that "90s antihero" is the name of a whole trope, and from what info I was able to find on the subject, no 9/11 would have likely resulted in this being even more popular and edgier.
Yeah........I still think most of those characters would exist the same.......especially Kuromi