The Day of the Lion: An Italian WW2 TL

Every day's a school day! Would you recommend anything I could have a look at regarding this?
Do you happen to read German? AFAIK theres no English language book that deals comprehensively with German views of the Balkans pre-war. If you want to know more about the Greek occupation, Mazower is a good place to start if you haven't read him yet. Its a bit tough to find, but Michael Palairet's book "The four ends of the Greek Hyperinflation 1941-46" is also insightful.
 
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La città che sale
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The reassurances which continued to emanate from Rome following the German crossing of the Piave increasingly began to ring hollow in the ears of many Italian people. Although the new government was considered to have a good degree of legitimacy the bulletins which reported heroic resistance against the German attack and preparations to repel them before they reached the Adige river were eerily similar to those which the Fascist regime had broadcast about Pantelleria and Sicily before it had dissolved. Many Italians wondered how long their new leaders would last if they were making similar vague promises of victory and Allied support.

The horror stories of German atrocities in Campania, Falcognana and Messina were circulated widely with the intent of strengthening Italian resistance but it also increased fear of German occupation within northern Italy. An exodus of refugees began to fill the roads heading south just as had happened in the French Riviera and Slovenia in the weeks before the renewed German offensive, often including the same people who had barely recovered from their trek across the Alps.

The refugee crisis further exacerbated the damage caused by the Luftwaffe to Italian infrastructure and delayed the limited reinforcements and supplies sent from Rome. Allied transport aircraft dropped a variety of handheld anti-tank weapons behind Italian lines, such as American Bazookas and British PIATs. This was mostly done to bolster Italian morale and emphasise they were not fighting alone however the small number of supply drops and the limited instruction they were able to provide to the Italian defenders meant their impact was minimal.

The Italians now attempted to focus all their efforts on holding the Adige and Po rivers. It was the last major natural barrier between the Germans and the Po Valley where the vast majority of Italy’s industry lay. Bridges, some of which predated Christ, were ordered blown once it had been confirmed the Germans were across the Piave.

Gariboldi faced being surrounded from his headquarters in Padua after the Germans bypassed the city, seriously hampering his ability to direct the defence of the rivers. The Italian defenders were composed mostly of the troops brought back across the Alps and from Sardinia. Lacking a mobile reserve or much in the way of heavy weapons they were unable to halt the German attack when it came against the coastal area of Cavarzere outside of Venice. Despite hard fighting the Germans had reached Adria by the 10th of August, having crossed both rivers

After only a week the renewed German offensive had broken into the Po Valley and the Italian defence was left in disarray. Gariboldi gave up on pleading for reinforcements from Rome coldly informing Ambrosio there was nothing left to stop the Germans north of the Apennine mountains. He was resolved to go down fighting however and despite having been awarded an Iron Cross by Hitler for his efforts in the Stalingrad campaign only a few months beforehand now prepared a siege defence of his own.

Gariboldi’s analysis of the situation was, unfortunately for the Italian people, not pessimistic. What was left of the Italian Army was stuck in a static defence around the Alpine fortifications. Countering any German moves would require them to move on foot and make them subject to aerial bombardment. Following the German breakthroughs the decision was made to maintain the defence of the Alps with its ready made fortifications rather than have those garrisoning them destroyed in the field. Those garrisoning Genoa and Turin were ordered to prepare for the defence of the cities alongside the workers militias being organised there.

In Genoa Italians who had been fighting over the port against one another were forced ever closer, testing the limits of the uneasy truce agreed between Milan and Rome. After the local representatives of both regimes found they could agree on little more than the common aim of defence they resigned themselves to making their own preparations for the arrival of the Germans. In Turin a working relationship had not been established following the white terror despite Rossi’s dismissal. The workers militias formed in the city lacked cohesion and the army maintained its positions ready more to fight avenging Communists than the Germans.

The PCI and its allies had their own plans for La Spezia and Milan. After long deliberations within the PCI central committee and amongst their allies in the Action and Socialist parties it had been decided that both cities must be defended if the revolution was to succeed. To cut and run would be to abandon the Italian working class, instead they eventually agreed to echo the Bolsheviks in 1917 and Stalin two years beforehand by making a stand in the revolutionary capital. Whilst Caviglia gave vague reassurances from Rome Umberto Massola used Milanese radio to announce that Milan would become the Stalingrad of Italy where the German invaders would meet their doom.

Tasked with realising these promises was Luigi Longo, who had been a leader of the International Brigades which had fought alongside Republican Spain in the Spanish Civil War and had recently arrived in Milan following his return from exile on the island of Ventotene. Longo had already helped organise a prison revolt to escape the penal colony following the removal of Mussolini and was now working to drill the hastily organised workers militias of Milan into a military unit.

After only a month Longo’s work was far from complete however the daily drills he had ordered carried out in Milanese public squares had their intended effect of building public confidence. He was assisted in this effort by former elements of the Cosseria division, whose soldiers when released from their barracks had often decided to desert only to join the workers militias.

The period of looting and score settling had largely abided by this time with effective food distribution having become the focus the Communists had intended for it to be in planning the revolt; rations were tight but regular and provided an element of security which prevented a breakdown of public order or mass flight in the face of the German advance. The city, already depopulated by the Communist takeover nonetheless saw many leave despite the warnings they would have to do so unassisted by public supply and their homes would be forfeit to the fortress being assembled.

In La Spezia a maritime evacuation was underway with ships of all kinds ferrying refugees to the relative safety of ports further south even whilst the birthplace of the Italian revolution sealed itself off to any more. Barricades were erected along the streets and hills in preparation for the supreme sacrifice.


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And ladies and gentlement we have seen the most idiotic and suicidal move of WWII short of Japan decide to fight the USA, while the urban setting will help the PCI militias well we all know what happened to the Warsaw Ghetto and nobody with a functioning brain cell had any illusion that they will be a just a bump on the German offensive and that very few will live to tell the tale.
Militia formed by civilians with little training, limited heavy armament, no air cover, no way of being supplied and whose source of food has been or will be cut very soon against veterans of the eastern front with heavy artillery that will not think twice by simply transforming Milan in a mass of ruin from a safe distance or let the population starving (there were little food earlier and once the city will be surrounded even less).
Honestly the only real explanation is that Togliatti is in a safe localtion and he need some martyr for the cause, better if they belong to the part of the PCI that had little desire to fight for the privilege to lick Stalin boot
 
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I wonder if these urban battles end up being the equivalent of the 1944 Warsaw uprising... Awfully convenient way of having the Germans do the dirty work of getting rid of subversive elements...
 
I wonder if these urban battles end up being the equivalent of the 1944 Warsaw uprising... Awfully convenient way of having the Germans do the dirty work of getting rid of subversive elements...
And it's all self inflicted as everybody knows that help will not coming as they can't, unless the allies give air support...but if they haven't done to support the regular italian army doing now will probably mean that the king himself will go to Eisenowher to spit in both his eyes and make suggestion over the line of work of his mother, wife and the rest of his family
 
Will TTL's Italy be able to develop the P40 further than a few prototypes or would they have to rely on lend-lease for their armor?

I think it was still undergoing testing at this juncture and given the disruption to Italian industry I would say lend-lease is the safer bet.

Do you happen to read German? AFAIK theres no English language book that deals comprehensively with German views of the Balkans pre-war. If you want to know more about the Greek occupation, Mazower is a good place to start if you haven't read him yet. Its a bit tough to find, but Michael Palairet's book "The four ends of the Greek Hyperinflation 1941-46" is also insightful.

I can just about manage with genosse google translate so will definitely have a look for that thanks!
Honestly the only real explanation is that Togliatti is in a safe localtion and he need some martyr for the cause, better if they belong to the part of the PCI that had little desire to fight for the privilege to lick Stalin boot

I would say the direction the PCI has taken has been largely due to a lack of Togliatti's influence, burying the hatchet is coming closer to the line he was keen on promoting but the interior leadership is still more influenced by the azionismo of the moment.

I wonder if these urban battles end up being the equivalent of the 1944 Warsaw uprising... Awfully convenient way of having the Germans do the dirty work of getting rid of subversive elements...

Which of course has become part of the historiography of the Warsaw uprising IOTL.
 
I would say the direction the PCI has taken has been largely due to a lack of Togliatti's influence, burying the hatchet is coming closer to the line he was keen on promoting but the interior leadership is still more influenced by the azionismo of the moment.
It's that looking at the situation anyone will understand how desperate the move is and while politically and for propaganda an heroic and epic last stand will greatly help the communist cause it will mean an enormous amount of damage for Milan without any real military reason and unlike the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising it's clear from day one that help is not coming as the Royal Army don't have the capacity to send help to itself so there is little or nothing to spare for some attempt towards Milan or La Spezia.
Basically sure, it will be one of the most epic moment for Italy in WWII and the workers militia will try they best to bring with them as many nazist as possible, songs, books and movies will be created to honor that fight but military will be the wrong move and unfortunely is too late to change plan.
 
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Fuhrer Military Headquarters was satisfied with the breakout of the SS Panzer Corps and the apparent destruction of what remained of the Italian army but now pondered their next steps.

The Corps’ commander, General Paul Hausser was keen to ingratiate himself with Hitler following previous disagreements with the German dictator and reported, somewhat optimistically, that Italian resistance had been shattered by the arrival of the SS and if necessary he would advance on Rome or even Naples. His tanks were advancing on the city of Parma where they could take their panzers down the main roads as far as Rimini where they could cross the Apennines or head even further down the eastern coast towards Foggia

Despite these offers of further conquest Hitler remained sore from the overly optimistic plans hatched in the previous months. The experience of Conrath’s convoy had made it clear the days of reckless endeavours were past the Wehrmacht; the Apennines were to become the Third Reich’s new southern border but they would not be crossed.

Hausser was instead ordered to divide his forces now the Italians had been broken. After reaching Parma they would advance south towards Rimini to establish a defensive perimeter whilst the remainder would head north to “clean out the Bolshevik nest” in Milan and secure the industry of the Po Valley. Nazi propaganda boasted of marching on Rome regardless in the hope of finally bringing about a political collapse in the Italian capital. Goebbels’ aim at this point had more to do with sowing chaos throughout Southern Italy rather than genuine hopes of a Fascist restoration.

General Ambrosio had long become wary of German overpromising however many within the new regime were not so sceptical and the Comando Supremo Chief would spend the days following the German crossing of the Po reassuring the King and many of his new ministers that fleeing Rome would be premature. The arrival of the American 82nd Airborne Division had briefly caused the Roman population to break out in celebration however the immediate transfer of the paratroopers to the northern outskirts of the capital to reinforce the Italian Motorised Corps had muted the jubilation with the realisation their city might soon become a battlefield.

Alarm grew with news of collapse in the north and the arrival of the first refugees who told horror stories of SS atrocities to match those of the displaced who had fled the Germans in Campania. Fears and frustrations continued to be taken out on symbols of the old Fascist regime; it was a practice which was increasingly permitted by the Caviglia government as the situation deteriorated and the Italian people began looking for those to blame.

Such grievances would reach a crescendo with the killing of Benito Mussolini on the 12th of August. Security arrangements around the former Italian dictator had grown increasingly complex and strict in preparation for handing him over to the Allies along with several other persons of interest. The wariness of moving Mussolini from Rome had further complicated matters for the Army, whose dealings with the local Carabinieri became increasingly strained in trying to maintain the precautions of keeping Mussolini well guarded but also mobile so as not to be in one location for too long.

Mussolini’s condition in the final weeks of his life has been the subject of some dispute. The Duce’s physical health is said to have declined further with some suggesting his ulcers may have been close to causing internal bleeding fuelling some more fanciful speculations that Mussolini had actually died at some point before the 12th.

Mussolini’s incapacity from illness consumed much of his time in captivity which was largely spent solitary and in bed. All that can be officially gleaned is from the only and last piece of correspondence sent by Mussolini during his detention; a request made to the Archbishop of Pisa regarding whether a Memorial Mass might be held on the second anniversary of his son Bruno’s death.

Bruno Mussolini had died in a plane crash outside of Pisa during a test flight and his funeral had been held there subsequently. Mussolini seemed keen on the memorial being held there as well only for the request to ironically play a role in his own death. Whether it was leaked by those passing the letter to the clergy or the clergy themselves the civilian population of the municipality of Trastevere in the centre of Rome had become aware Mussolini was being held at the local Caserma Podgora barracks.

Armed with this knowledge and given the scarcity of petrol it appeared obvious to the local population that Mussolini was being moved when three army trucks left the barracks on the 12th of August. Whether by insight or opportunism the Romans assembled.

A crowd gathered around the three trucks and surrounded them completely by the time they were attempting to cross the Tiber river. The soldiers guarding Mussolini attempted to disperse the crowd at gunpoint however they did not open fire and were soon overwhelmed by a hail of makeshift missiles and soon disappeared into the crowd, unwilling to risk their own lives further.

Subsequent forces were dispatched from the barracks when it became clear the crowd was not moving; however by the time the army had regained control Benito Mussolini had been dragged from one of the trucks and apparently beaten to death. The crowd dispersed before any number of culprits could be identified and despite many subsequent claims of individuals having struck the decisive blows only a few grainy photos of the event have been unearthed none of which show the killing.

The photos do seem to attest to spontaneity though it would not have been hard for anyone wishing Mussolini dead to guess what might happen if he was handed over to a crowd of angry Romans and suspicion of the entire security failure being manufactured soon arose. Potential motives on behalf of the Caviglia government varied from avoiding the embarrassment of handing Mussolini over to foreign powers, preventing him from implicating anyone in the new regime of being responsible for war crimes or undermining the chances of a Fascist counter-coup by killing their leader. However with successive Italian regimes taking steps to elude the question no smoking gun has emerged to directly implicate anyone with official sanction for the killing.

Regardless of possible intent the aftermath was undoubtedly a setback for the government in Rome. Initially the incident was downplayed as having been a riot provoked by criminal elements with no mention of Mussolini. Foreign press were under no such censure however, particularly Allied journalists who had been welcomed into the city to showcase the arrival of American troops. Two days after the event it was officially acknowledged that Mussolini had died, the admission was brief and in Italian news it remained secondary to the ongoing German invasion.

The cover-up did little to assuage Allied concerns over Mussolini being thrown to the mob. Though few tears were shed for the dictator by his enemies but the manner of his death unsettled the leadership in London and Washington and increased distrust of the regime they had only recently recognised as legitimate. It was an atmosphere of suspicion Rome could ill afford, coming at a time when Italy was fighting for its life. The disappearance of General Mario Roatta, a key ally of Ambrosio and responsible for genocide in Slovenia, only for him to emerge in Spain years later, would further rattle Allied and public confidence.

In an attempt to raise morale at home and ingratiate themselves with the Allies anew Comando Supremo gave the green light to an operation which had been drafted at the beginning of the German invasion; an revenge raid on Berlin by Italian bombers. Eight Piaggio P108 heavy bombers would take off from Pisa on the 19th of August to drop incendiaries and propaganda leaflets on the German capital, only two would return. This had been the plane Bruno Mussolini had died testing, the operation resulted in the deaths of many of his surviving squadmates and the effective end of his squadron.



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Frankly the allies better start to give some help or at least shut up otherwise they can take their distrust and put it...well, honestly from the italian pow they are basically fighting alone the germans in conditions that are on the verge of breaking what left of the armed forces and the nation while the Allies are sitting on their derriere and even lamenting how the italian fare and are not capable of keep their internal security.
Not considering that London and Washington other choice for an italian goverment are the communist/socialist (and even them will have a lot of trouble in controlling the nation and will be full of division) and i doubt that at least Churchill want that, so unless they don't want to occupy the nation and do the fight themselfs against the Germans better starting to give some equipment and supply to the italians even to make the goverment position a little more stable
Plus a consideration, sure that the allied press was censured, a lot of time was self imposed but during wartime had a lot of restriction and such big news will be keep under scrutiny for a while
 
Eight Piaggio P108 heavy bombers would take off from Pisa on the 19th of August to drop incendiaries and propaganda leaflets on the German capital, only two would return. This had been the plane Bruno Mussolini had died testing, the operation resulted in the deaths of many of his surviving squadmates and the effective end of his squadron.
With all the critical objectives in the Italian peninsula High command chose to waste his precious heavy bombers on a propaganda attack on Berlin?
That was clearly a political motivated assassination camouflaged as a military mission.

the Allies are sitting on their derriere and even lamenting how the italian fare and are not capable of keep their internal security.
While I can almost understand why the Allies are unwilling to risk their men trying to stop the northern offensive, what I really didn't get is why they didn't at least destroy Conrath forces in Calabria.
Those are exhausted soldiers far from any support, with an handful of tanks almost without fuel, maybe some light artillery but very few shells and their elimination would free Italian forces in the south and boost the flagging morale of the population.
It's an easy victory even considering the difficult terrain.
 
With all the critical objectives in the Italian peninsula High command chose to waste his precious heavy bombers on a propaganda attack on Berlin?
That was clearly a political motivated assassination camouflaged as a military mission.
Well, the P108 are long range strategic bombers so of very limited use in the current strategic situation in the North unless it decided to bombard an italian city and that will be too much at the moment and frankly the situation is desperate enough that at least showing that Italy can fight back is necessary for not collapsing the morale of the nation

While I can almost understand why the Allies are unwilling to risk their men trying to stop the northern offensive, what I really didn't get is why they didn't at least destroy Conrath forces in Calabria.
Those are exhausted soldiers far from any support, with an handful of tanks almost without fuel, maybe some light artillery but very few shells and their elimination would free Italian forces in the south and boost the flagging morale of the population.
It's an easy victory even considering the difficult terrain.
Yep, ok not wanting to waste their men, sure i understand it, but why not give the italians the mean to fight back seriously so to keep the Germans unit occupied after all it's not their objective? Plus food for the population so to prop up the current goverment, because after a while someone can start to believe that the Allied command is composed by braindead people, while they will be (rightly) unsure of the current italian government unless they want to directly occupy the nation they need to work with them but for now it seem that they are stuck on merely nagging and lamenting like the typical mothers in law seen in the comedy
 
"King of Aspromonte"
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The Germans were being made to suffer in Southern Italy where General Paul Conrath’s remaining forces were overwhelmed in August by Allied forces approaching from north and south.

For a few days in July the German armoured convoy had swept all before it and appeared poised to capture Rome and reimpose Fascism before the realities of limited supply, poor infrastructure and Allied airpower had asserted themselves. Now the Germans clung to the Catania region like a dormant tumour. Due to the threat from the skies their remaining forces had become dispersed however they remained heavily armed and continued to number in the tens of thousands. Despite the disruption of Italian resistance efforts and Allied bombardment not to mention the looming peril of their situation, Conrath had continued to maintain reasonably good order amongst his troops but did not extend this to the local population whom his men used to sustain themselves. Rome’s relief had become their torment.

The population were robbed of anything of value, mostly clothing, foodstuffs and and fuel; however the Germans did not hesitate at seizing jewellery, watches and other luxury items whenever they came across them. Thousands were evicted from homes when the Germans billeted them and many were forced into various forms of servitude by the occupying army. Tens of thousands fled the tyranny north towards unoccupied Italy and the arriving Allies. They did so mostly on foot.

State institutions which had barely had time to react to the collapse of Fascism evaporated in the exodus. Any local attempts at reestablishing something resembling civil governance were violently suppressed by the Germans as potential outlets for resistance. Only the Catholic church was reasonably immune to this locally and though their response was muted, many clung to the clergy for aid or protection. Beyond the church most people were left with only their families and immediately neighbours for hope. Those who did not flee largely did so because of dependents who wouldn’t be able to come with or fear of losing everything in the attempt. Thus they hunkered down praying the storm would soon pass.

Conrath was a loyal Nazi but aware the arrival of the Americans effectively meant the end of his war. Shortly after Americans and British began to disembark in Naples and Calabria he radioed a proposal to Fuhrer Headquarters where he would use his remaining forces to attempt a last assault against the American beachhead just as he had tried to do against the Allied landings in Sicily. He was ordered instead to fortify himself in the mountains of Catania and fight to the last round. This way the terrain could be best used against the advancing Allies who would be delayed from linking up until Conrath’s force had been eliminated.

Conrath largely held his men together whilst they fortified themselves for the final battle. He assured them they were playing a vital role in the final victory; cannibalising their own equipment and more Italian homes to build barricades and fortified positions. Given their dispersal and situation, desertion began to increase. Even though the renewed German offensive across the Alps made it appear Rome might fall after all, most realised they would not be relieved and some decided to try their luck making their own way to the Allied lines rather than wait to die in battle or left at the mercy of the local population whose suffering was about to reach a climax.

The Allied forces had been keen to secure their position in southern Italy before dealing with Conrath’s pocket. Conrath’s force was not considered a major threat compared to the German advance in the north however by mid-August the advance of the Eighth Army brought it to Catania where the decision was made to eliminate the sideshow.

The final battle would become a bloody spectacle with the British advance breaking coordinated German resistance in the first few days via unrelenting artillery and aerial bombardment only for dozens of small mountainous pockets being reduced to hand to hand fighting. The local populace were only too happy to act as guides with any hesitation of the danger to their lives evaporating after weeks of nightmarish occupation by Italy’s former ally. The most prominent of these guides was Dino Grandi who was keen to stay ahead of the political realignment he had conspired to bring about.

With the Armistice of Madrid signed Grandi had requested a final favour from the British Embassy in being transported by them to Calabria where he could assist Eighth Army. His arrival came shortly before the British advance met the German pocket and with the fighting centering on the mountains he offered his services to the British as a former Alpini officer in the last war and an expert on the geography of Catania.

Much of this was bluster, Grandi was a northerner with barely any knowledge of the region but was able to ingratiate himself with local guides like he had with the British to act as a go-between and soon replaced his Black Shirt for British khaki. With the reduction of the final German pockets in August he was on hand to be associated with a victory over the Germans on Italian soil. Conrath likely died in the fighting although small bands of Germans would continue to pop up in the hills for months after.

Grandi’s Co-Conspirator, Galeazzo Ciano, was also using the national crisis for his own self-promotion. His efforts at Vatican diplomacy having been overshadowed by Grandi, Ciano left Rome for Naples and the arriving Americans where he used his contacts with the Camorra crime syndicate to position himself as a major player in Neapolitan affairs. He was keen to prove himself useful and helped ensure the collaboration of the criminal enterprise in assisting with public order and maintaining supplies through the port.

Ciano still saw himself as the future leader of Italy and was happy to make assurances about the control of Naples to his backers who were equally satisfied with having a major figure as the face of their organisation and to help them skim from the vast American wealth now arriving into the city.


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Ciano can see himself as the new leader of Italy, unfortunely while he will probably get a nice pension he has zero possibility to achieve it and more or less anyone with some insight wil know it.
Regarding the Camorra, in OTL they were succesfull in rebuilding (while the regime used them, once this usefullness evaporated, they got the Mafia treatment) due to the collapse of the italian goverment OTL and later the revolt but ITTL their reach will be minor and even what they can offer to Ciano will be much more limited and while they can take care of some quarter of Naples like Rione Sanità they will need to work to reach OTL equivalent of the period.
Basically Ciano will see and use them as low level local enchmen but nothing more and he will leave Rome if he try to get the top spot plus he will make them come to him (in a very quietly location) as a petty show of who are really the difference of power
 
Interesting update!

The former fascists maneuvering for position is an entertaining but ultimately futile enterprise. Though I do find it surprising that Ciano has escaped association with Mussolini.

The arrival of Allied forces into this mess is certainly going to be interesting. With all the mess in Northern Italy, it's looking increasingly likely that they'll have to settle for something like OTL's Gothic Line. If so, the Allies are going to have to learn the lessons gleaned from Salerno and Anzio somewhere else...
 
Damn... My poor city and my poor grampa :)

Nice job Red, looking forward to read more

Thanks! Was he in La Spezia or Milan at the time?

With all the critical objectives in the Italian peninsula High command chose to waste his precious heavy bombers on a propaganda attack on Berlin?
That was clearly a political motivated assassination camouflaged as a military mission.

Well, the P108 are long range strategic bombers so of very limited use in the current strategic situation in the North unless it decided to bombard an italian city and that will be too much at the moment and frankly the situation is desperate enough that at least showing that Italy can fight back is necessary for not collapsing the morale of the nation

Yeah there's not much they can do tactically, similar to the Allied excuse for not intervening more directly from the air whilst also building up the Foggia Complex.

Yep, ok not wanting to waste their men, sure i understand it, but why not give the italians the mean to fight back seriously so to keep the Germans unit occupied after all it's not their objective? Plus food for the population so to prop up the current goverment, because after a while someone can start to believe that the Allied command is composed by braindead people,

Equipping someone elses army is almost as difficult as sending your own particularly when the doctrines and equipment are all new and that's alongside the Allies' disembarking their own forces on the mainland. It's primarily a logistical issue the Allies have at the moment but it does conveniently cover-up that Italy isn't their priority and that if they can ensure control of the strategic asset of Foggia and the prestige asset of Rome then the more Germans they can draw into the north is a bonus. It's a difficult sell for diplomats of course but distrust of the new regime ironically helps in that regard.

Ciano can see himself as the new leader of Italy, unfortunely while he will probably get a nice pension he has zero possibility to achieve it and more or less anyone with some insight wil know it.
Regarding the Camorra, in OTL they were succesfull in rebuilding (while the regime used them, once this usefullness evaporated, they got the Mafia treatment) due to the collapse of the italian goverment OTL and later the revolt but ITTL their reach will be minor and even what they can offer to Ciano will be much more limited and while they can take care of some quarter of Naples like Rione Sanità they will need to work to reach OTL equivalent of the period.
Basically Ciano will see and use them as low level local enchmen but nothing more and he will leave Rome if he try to get the top spot plus he will make them come to him (in a very quietly location) as a petty show of who are really the difference of power

Yeah it's very much a symbiotic relationship and to someone naturally drawn to intrigue like Ciano it works well.


Interesting update!

Thanks!

The former fascists maneuvering for position is an entertaining but ultimately futile enterprise. Though I do find it surprising that Ciano has escaped association with Mussolini.

They're basically banking on styling themselves as the most useful element of Italian collaboration in the hopes that the Allies will bury the hatchet for what's most 'practical' à la Darlan. This is a somewhat easier sell for Grandi who has existing connections with the British (albeit mostly appeasers and Fascists) and for years styled himself as systemic opposition to Mussolini even before the actual plot against him. Ciano has a harder time but he can still rely on his connections with Italy and the Vatican as well as the fact he helped depose his Father-in-law.
 

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although small bands of Germans would continue to pop up in the hills for months after.

The line above made me think of the bands of un-lead marauding soldiers/banditi left to fend for themselves during breaks in the Thirty Years War(and multiple other wars). With no source of supply and deteriorating discipline, they're non-strategic to the larger war, but still a vicious menace to local society.
 
Equipping someone elses army is almost as difficult as sending your own particularly when the doctrines and equipment are all new and that's alongside the Allies' disembarking their own forces on the mainland. It's primarily a logistical issue the Allies have at the moment but it does conveniently cover-up that Italy isn't their priority and that if they can ensure control of the strategic asset of Foggia and the prestige asset of Rome then the more Germans they can draw into the north is a bonus. It's a difficult sell for diplomats of course but distrust of the new regime ironically helps in that regard.
Yep but even start giving older allied equipment to the italian armed forces to start the reequipment wil help morale and at least give the government something to show so to say: please hold the line till things are better.
Not considering any help on the food situation, expecially in the zone where the Germans had operated and plundered everything.
Plus yeah the allied distrust the new regime but ehy if they don't have anyone else to rely unless they want take direct control of the nation, so unless they want do that they can take the distrust put it aside and begin to have a serious working relationship with the new italian regime unless they prefer fight a direct trust of the werchmatch towards Rome and Foggia.

As a side note, the general situation of the Germans is a lot worse than OTL, they have not only lost the troops in Italy but they have been engaged in the conquest of north Italy that had not be really cheap in term of men and material...and it's not completed, plus the italian contingents in the balkans have put a much harder fight than OTL with many joining the various resistance forces or being evacauted.
Not considering that unlike OTL they don't have captured that many equipment to utilize and prisoners to use as slave labor
 

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Plus yeah the allied distrust the new regime but ehy if they don't have anyone else to rely unless they want take direct control of the nation, so unless they want do that they can take the distrust put it aside and begin to have a serious working relationship with the new italian regime unless they prefer fight a direct trust of the werchmatch towards Rome and Foggia.
Something along the lines of "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend."

Cripes, even the ardent anti-Bolshie Churchill signed on to support the USSR soon after the start of Barbarosa for comparison
 
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